[sasquatch_mn]

The gutter is the plane line. Picture a roof as the plane, it's gutter is the plane line.

P8 is just right forearm parallel to the ground.
P8 is a position, we don't teach positions, we teach alignments, but I wanted you to get the picture of the shaft getting back up the plane after follow through and into the finish.

Sorry sasquatch_mn, I get a little too excited for typing. Much easier to explain and show one on one than with text.

Kevin

thanks for elaborating...makes sense. Lately, I felt closer than I have been to getting total motion w/ FLW. However, after repeated and i stress the repeated failure, I never get too excited. This feeling as of late is different than before. I could NEVER fade the ball w/out making and exaggerated chicken wing crappy attempt that went left to right but weak as heck.