[Daryl]

This is a direct quote of John's.

I'm not trying to start arguments, I think we are grown up enough to discuss this without resorting to childish taunts of 'gibberish'. If the physics are there, then they are there. If not, then they are not.

As I said I am not trying to provoke a fight and I hope that John doesn't mind me quoting him here, in truth it could cost me a friendship.

I would like to hear from some of the other machine heads on this subject as well, especially our great green one if he is not too busy.

Gibberish is a grown-up word.

GP, please start this in a new thread in "The Lab". Otherwise it's thread-jacking. The Lab might be a good place to discuss new methods that aren't TGM related. Perhaps this is a question for your close friend John? It is afterall his method and he is a self-proclaimed TGM Expert.