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remaining a bit puzzled. Here's why. I am not worried about extent of axis tilt or what creates it, or whether the right shoulder moves downplane as a result of shift to left, a pivot or initiated prior to both. My concern is a bit different. First, I don't understand the invocation in TGM that the movement of the right shoulder for the swinger is quick which is the opposite of what it is for a hitter, which is slow. Secondly, it is supposed to be a quick/flywheel kind of action that throws the club out ultimately by blasting the left arm off the chest, etc. I don't see this movement as of a piece with moving the right shoulder down the plane. the flywheel motion seems to me to me to have an outward vector not a downward one. So these two features of the conventional wisdom of the TGM as well as LB's characterization of teh right shoulder differences in swinging and hitting seem at odds with the thought that however initiated the right shoulder moves slowly and down on to the plane-- which is the image LB uses when he describes the right shoulder relationship to the plane line through the use of the rifle illustration.

As I said I am analytical to a fault no doubt and I can't move on without some clarification of whether these thoughts are compatible or not; and if not, which is the better understanding of TGM

Thanks again,
Jules

Think of the flywheel as a 'pulling' force, the torso pulling the left arm (pressure point #4, the left arm/chest connection). It is the primary force for a swinger.

It isn't a purely horizontal 'spin' like a frisbee, because you are operating on an angled plane (roof).

The right shoulder going down plane is what keeps the force on that angled plane, rather than spinning on a horizontal plane (which is what most high handicap folks do, an over the top, off plane, spin)