LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - ? hItting up with the driver and right arm thrust ... Thread: ? hItting up with the driver and right arm thrust ... View Single Post #4 02-13-2010, 04:16 PM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 I had someone ask me if this cross line thrust was a cross line stroke. The answer is no, as Okie alluded to above. To move down plane is to move Out assuming an Inclined plane. Your divot should still point straight at the hole but with a little arc to it that is hardly noticeable unless you turn it over and look at the underside. The flatter the plane the more arc. Here is a mental experiment. Imagine an Inclined Plane from a down the line view. Hogans sheet of glass or similar. Now draw a line on this plane from the top corner nearest you diagonally to the opposite bottom corner. Now put your eye to this line and scope it like a rifle. It points down and out towards the plane line. Move your eye to a birds eye , overhead perspective. The line is not parallel to the Target Line but points to the right of it. "Out to right field" so to speak though the Clubhead doesnt not cross to the other side of the Plane Line. The paths of the clubhead/Hands are not perfectly straight but these observations hold in the real world in that Thrust is always straight line by definition. So the Thrust is cross line towards the plane line. Down and Out. Steering would be a redirection of Thrust towards the target, which seems logical at first, but lacks both direction and power. (Note not just direction!) To see the effects of Plane Angle on the relative amounts of Down vs Out move your imaginary plane to more extreme angles. Upright planes having far more Down than Out. Flatter planes, like Hogans Elbow Plane having more Out and less Down. (And more In than Up post Low Point for Hand Path considerations). And now in a further attempt to digress deeper into the abyss of "Hogan: swinging left yes , but TGM geometry compliant" controversy: Given that the Pivot (Shoulder Turn) and or Right Arm Thrust provide the Out of Three Dimensional Impact. The Left Wrist uncocking (#2 Accumulator Angle) and Axis Tilt provide the Down. See 2-N-1. You can, Im thinking, extrapolate that Hogan traveling the flatest usable Plane, the Elbow Plane....... probably: -felt very rotational through the shot with a strong feel at the #4 pressure point. -felt a goodly amount of #3 Accum roll power. -had a sense for the delayed overtaking of the hands by the clubhead given the Travel associated with any Angled Hinge Action employment. -noticed visually the clubhead and hands moving more In than Up post low point. -had a strong sense of thrusting Out, towards the inside aft of the ball (especially for balls placed back of low point). The Arc of Approach. -felt this cross line thrust at the #1 and #2 Pressure Points (direct drive) with the #3 passively sensing the lag pressure. See, hear Hogan on his #3 pp feel in the Coleman tapes. Its quite interesting. As an aside, while Hogan most likely had a strong sense of hitting Out, I dont think he would have had any perception of using Homers Angle of Approach procedure. He didnt use it, couldnt use it given that amount of Turning through the shot! His hard turning Left Shoulder would pull the hands along the ARc of Approach. You can not Pivot hard and use the Angle of Approach actually, though a strong sense of Out on the flatter planes may suggest otherwise. That would be a feel but not a Delivery Line real. You cant use the Angle of Approach procedure while traveling the Elbow Plane either. That would be another incompatible choice of components. Last edited by O.B.Left : 02-13-2010 at 08:16 PM. O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left