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This discussion touches upon a very fascinating topic: What you need to do to work the ball as a hitter is in many ways the opposite of what a swinger need to do. And if yo drag & drive you better know what you're asking for. Cause you will get it

BerntR you say "Swinger" but you're really referring to the True Swinger I think.

You're garden variety Swinger, the so called Manipulated Hands Swinger, Rotates the Grip and employs a Hinge Action (another form of manipulation) leaving him or her with the same set of geometry as the Hitter.

The True Swinger is a rare bird and leaves everything to CF, no manipulation of any kind , no grip rotation no manipulation of a Hinge Action , Auto Release I think too. Just CF producing its natural Horizontal Hinging ...... passive hands in other words. CF alone squares the clubface.

But I could be wrong, waiting for Yoda to weigh in here about grip rotation......