It sounds like we are in the exact same boat, only you have maybe been it in longer than me. This type of dialog can really help the incubation process out. Trust me its very meaningful, and I can't tell you ALL...how much its appreciated!!
I like what you posted Knight very much. Your hitting and swinging basic motion idea...its sounds so logical. I havn't read the Law of the Flail yet, but saw it on Tommy's video. This reading will be tonight's homework.
Martee, for me & I might have it totalling wrong here, but if I'm swinging I have to use the accumalator #1 to take the club back aka (right forearm tracing & right forearm fanning). So, I start all of my backstrokes with my right & for hitting send the right back down, & for swinging swing with the left (but don't you still thrust with the right in swinging?).
KnighT, when swinging a basic motion, are you taking the power package back with the left? and back down with the left? (accumlator #4)
I'm getting closer on this basic motion stuff. By the way guys, I think if you practice this in your house (don't break anything
, you will have a smoother, easier, more rhythmic stroke...that is if you don't your wife or mom or significant other to throw the yellow book in the recycle bend!!!!
Martee, for me & I might have it totalling wrong here, but if I'm swinging I have to use the accumalator #1 to take the club back aka (right forearm tracing & right forearm fanning). So, I start all of my backstrokes with my right & for hitting send the right back down, & for swinging swing with the left (but don't you still thrust with the right in swinging?).
KnighT, when swinging a basic motion, are you taking the power package back with the left? and back down with the left? (accumlator #4)
Trane,
Procedurally you're always taking the hands and the feel of the club (lag) back and through. What accumulators you use and how you use them is a separate issue. What arm you use is also a separate issue- and you really don't use arms to take it back or down in a procedural sense. Important distinctions to make.
I thought Accum #4 is the left arm/shoulder & if I'm reading it correctly, it is one of the 22 components of the basic motion curriculum. There is no pivot, no shoulder turn, so the way I read it you have to take the lag (maintaining the pressure points) back towards the ball and down plane from the ball with either the #1 or #4 accumulator. I sure do hope I don't have this messed up or I will have to reincubate some stuff. Let me know guys...TY
Good one, MikeO. Michael Hebron kinda 'justifies' lessons by 'creating a learning environment.' He calls it "Michael Hebron's school for learning golf."
I never played competative chess. Just online alot. I liked the 3 and 5 minute games. I have not played in a while. All my efforts have been focused on engineering my golfing machine.
Regarding the flail, this is how I use it (or at least I hope that is what it is). If you have ever gone fishing (not that bouring deep sea fishing where you just drop it down....when you actually cast the rod) then you already know the flail. Think about the handle of the rod, and the tip of the rod. You have the rod back, ready to send it forward. Left hand is on the bottom, right on top. Then, your brain sends a signal which initiates a very specific motion with the rod. If you get this motion wrong you do not send your fising lure where you intended. The proper motion is pulling down with the left hand, while simultaneously pushing with the right (very fine control and accuarcy comes from the right hand). This motion causes the handle of the rod to move back while the tip goes forward. There is a rotation point somewhere between the two hands. I think this is using leverage. After all, fishing rods and golf clubs are just class 3 levers. Locating the fulcrum is critical. To flail a golf club I use pressure points #2 and #3. The rotation point is somewhere inbetween. Visualize pp#2 moving the butt of the club one way while simultaneously moving #3 in the opposite direction, and see how the butt end of the club moves a few inches while the clubhead travels several feet. This is using leverage to produce angular motion, I think.
I use my right forearm to take the club back. Hitting or swinging. Just fan the forearm (Like clapping), and trace your straight plane line. Check out 7-3 for this, especially the 'magical' last paragraph. The major difference is the loading. The best way for me to load the lag is by differentiating the two with their own specific feel. Swinging = rope handle, hitting = axe handle. They are very different. When I feel the rope handle, I can sense a tight line, just like a rope, from my left shoulder that goes directly to pressure point #3. For me, this only tightens at the end of my backswing. My right arm feels more 'out' and longer than when hitting...I think this is due to the dual horizontal hinging. Once I get this sensation it is pretty automatic because my brain can sense this straight line, so it knows to just give it a little tug. Maintain that tight rope and I end up in follow through with horizontal hinging...automatically (CF pulls the club head).
When hitting, at the end of the backswing I load the primary lever onto pressure point #3. This feels alot tighter with the right arm. Like a rattle snake all coiled up ready to strike, or a boxer in the clinch loading up a short powerful knockout punch (Like the 'crap smacker' vid). Then I use my right arm to thrust down and out.
For me, it is critical to combine both of these with the flail.
Trane, you will develop your power accumulators with training. Just a little advice I would give to you is don't focus on one accumulator back then another forward. Just use your right forearm flying wedge to pull to the top, let everything else follow while keeping your feet set in the ground. The sensation I get when I relax, and try to keep both feet set in the ground...then pull the right forearm with proper fanning and tracing, I sense 2 distinct points at the top. The inside of my right foot, and pressure point #3....BOTH points have loaded pressure. I think this might be 'stopping the backswing with your feet'....just another thing that I find with basic motion that is still there in total motion. I think that is cool.
One thing I want to make clear to everybody is that these are just baby steps. I am just starting to work this stuff out, and it is a direct result of studying the book and this site and listening to the great advice from everybody on the forum. I am thankful for all the help I have received. You have all helped me progress more that I ever thought possible. I extend a very big thank you to Yoda, he made all this possible for me, and all of us. He is the tie that binds us all together. I hope there is still much more to come. Thanks again, everybody.
Yikes, another long one....sorry if I am long winded guys, it just flows out sometimes.
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One thing I want to make clear to everybody is that these are just baby steps. I am just starting to work this stuff out, and it is a direct result of studying the book and this site and listening to the great advice from everybody on the forum. I am thankful for all the help I have received. You have all helped me progress more that I ever thought possible. I extend a very big thank you to Yoda, he made all this possible for me, and all of us. He is the tie that binds us all together. I hope there is still much more to come. Thanks again, everybody.
Great post, KnighT, and thank you for the comments quoted above. Someone recently referred to LynnBlakeGolf.com as a Golf Instruction "Classroom," and your post is proof positive Team LBG is making a difference.
I like that!
Oh, and about that "I hope there is still much more to come."
I thought Accum #4 is the left arm/shoulder & if I'm reading it correctly, it is one of the 22 components of the basic motion curriculum. There is no pivot, no shoulder turn, so the way I read it you have to take the lag (maintaining the pressure points) back towards the ball and down plane from the ball with either the #1 or #4 accumulator. I sure do hope I don't have this messed up or I will have to reincubate some stuff. Let me know guys...TY
I haven't read TKnight's prior post to my post but addressing you post Trane- Mechanically you are absolutely correct- right arm Accumulator #1 etc. But here is the key point- you don't take the club back by thinking about the right arm- or say the left arm- you take your hands back. Are only #1 and #4 moving in this basic motion- YES- but you have zeroed out #2 and #3 and the pivot so when you take the hands back #1 and #4 are the only things that will move.
Here is a quote from your recent post "so the way I read it you have to take the lag (maintaining the pressure points) back towards the ball and down plane from the ball with either the #1 or #4 accumulator"
So it reads as if you are thinking about #1 or #4 as what you focus on moving. They are the accumulators but you don't think let's take my left arm back or my left arm down- you are focusing on the hands going back - the accumulators are in essence "in the background". Now, depends what stage you are at - you may need to focus on the arms to learn the movement. So it's important to differentiate between learning - grooving components and what's happening in the fully functioning ultimate efficient athletic movement. So much like the last paragraph in 10-24-F- focusing on your arm motion could be a "Relative Translation Procedure" to a fully hand controlled pivot- (or in this case a hand controlled basic motion)
I guess I am still out to lunch, after reviewing my notes, etc I still ??? Some of the comments seems to have jumped beyond Basic Motion.
Mike0, enjoy the posts, always learning, keep them coming.
In 12-5-0 it is stated, Where applicable, interpret the items per the basic Stroke Pattern, that Hitting or Swinging. Either 12-1 or 12-2--not both at the same time.
In my feeble incubator, I read this to mean if I was going to Hit, then I could use PP#1 while allow PP#3 to monitor lag. Since where is no shoulder turn and with swinging I must rely on using PP#2 and use PP#3 to monitor lag. This seems to work for me, but this seems to be a bit different than I am reading. Frankly I have yet to master the hitting motion, right arm drive and using only PP#3 and be able to monitor lad and create extensor action. Maybe my grip is at fault, maybe I am not applying the finger correctly or tight enough. I tried again today and was unsuccessful, though I know not to expect instant success, but it wasn't that it didn't feel right, it didn't work as a gap was often created at PP#1. Ugly. Maybe my hands are just too loose.
Somewhere, sometime Yoda had written that Basic Motion should first be learned with just using the Hands as the starting place.
I get the feeling that I have been doing this wrong or not as it should be if I am to follow the basic motion.
Guess I will sit out and read somemore. In search...
You were probably thinking of MY HANDICAP! Sandbagger!
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