The Tomasello Argument
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11-19-2006, 12:04 AM
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You looking for a "get out of jail free" card Mike O?
Nope, ain't buy'in it.
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11-19-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
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You looking for a "get out of jail free" card Mike O?
Nope, ain't buy'in it.
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Ah- BamBam - good old buddy - where are ya? Bam? .....Please:
Hey, by the way - I'm clicking on the eusa prayer emoticon and getting the icon prayer emoticon- Who's been mess'n with my emoticons!!  This is either Bucket, Bagger or Fort- I know it! Heads are going to roll! 
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11-19-2006, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
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Ah- BamBam - good old buddy - where are ya? Bam? .....Please:
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Sorry, Mike. I'm not gonna get into it with Bagger; I hear them Texas fellers are pretty tough and easily riled.
By the way, your pray icon should be working. Not naming names, but I found some greasy fingerprints and an empty KFC container in our smilie administration area 
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11-19-2006, 02:17 AM
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Tomasello Arguement
Back to Golf...
I have often wondered where Tom Tomasello came up with the comments in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview where he says...
Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centifugal-force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.
To say "leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong!" That's a pretty bold statement...however, I was reading the seventh edition over the weekend and discovered the last paragraph of 2-N-O had been revised...after reading this section I'm starting to understand where the comments from Tomasello may have come from...
Last paragraph of 2-N-O.
Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinationg the complete Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position (10-3), Motion (6-B-1), and Path (7-3) to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. (See 7-15.) To accomplish both the Backstroke and Downstroke must be executed as 7-3, 10-3 and 10-5-0 discuss that procedure."
After listening to my private lesson tapes with Tomasello over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that in no way was Tomasello trying to reinvent TGM. It's interesting that the above statement from Homer references 7-3....Magic of the Right Forearm???
DG
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11-19-2006, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
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Back to Golf...
I have often wondered where Tom Tomasello came up with the comments in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview where he says...
Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centifugal-force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.
To say "leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong!" That's a pretty bold statement...however, I was reading the seventh edition over the weekend and discovered the last paragraph of 2-N-O had been revised...after reading this section I'm starting to understand where the comments from Tomasello may have come from...
Last paragraph of 2-N-O.
Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinationg the complete Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position (10-3), Motion (6-B-1), and Path (7-3) to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. (See 7-15.) To accomplish both the Backstroke and Downstroke must be executed as 7-3, 10-3 and 10-5-0 discuss that procedure."
After listening to my private lesson tapes with Tomasello over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that in no way was Tomasello trying to reinvent TGM. It's interesting that the above statement from Homer references 7-3....Magic of the Right Forearm???
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All I know is whenever my swing starts to go sideways all I need to do is go back and view Tommy T's vids and get out my short training club. Magic of the Right Forearm, 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. Throw in a some Mark Evershed ("Swing left and get everything else for free") and I'm back. Put your mind in your hands. Sequence the arms. Bent right wrist, horizontal hinge, finish swivel. It's all there. You don't have to worry about sliding, turning, weight shift etc. It's a beautiful thing!
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11-19-2006, 11:15 AM
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Is TT's procedure of initiating the downswing by bringing the arms/hands down from the top and reconnecting the right elbow to the side (if you take your hands back beyond right shoulder height) referenced in the Yellow Book. I believe he recommends this move as the 1st one in the transition from backswing to downswing while staying fully turned.
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11-19-2006, 11:27 AM
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Chapter Video #1 and Letter Video #2
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Originally Posted by hg
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Is TT's procedure of initiating the downswing by bringing the arms/hands down from the top and reconnecting the right elbow to the side (if you take your hands back beyond right shoulder height) referenced in the Yellow Book. I believe he recommends this move as the 1st one in the transition from backswing to downswing while staying fully turned.
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When I asked Tomasello about where in the book does it say to start the downswing with the right forearm. His response was 7-3 the Magic of the Right Forearm. Watch the two videos I referenced earlier in this thread. Chapter series video 1 and Letter series video 2. Tommy references the Magic of the Right Forearm at the end of Letter series video 2. In Letter video 2 when Tommy says you do it with your hands, reference section 5-0 where Homer says "Learn to SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS".
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11-20-2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tradekid
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All I know is whenever my swing starts to go sideways all I need to do is go back and view Tommy T's vids and get out my short training club. Magic of the Right Forearm, 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. Throw in a some Mark Evershed ("Swing left and get everything else for free") and I'm back. Put your mind in your hands. Sequence the arms. Bent right wrist, horizontal hinge, finish swivel. It's all there. You don't have to worry about sliding, turning, weight shift etc. It's a beautiful thing!
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