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Old 12-03-2006, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by daniell
ChangeMySwing,

I am trying to reconcile TT's teachings with the baseball swing. I feel that they are actually the same or very similar.

And I am finding out more things about myself, my own percularites. I also found two swing thoughts that are disrupting my swing, a flat left wrist at the top and pitch elbow position. I am having more success by letting them occur naturally.

And like what Tom said, if you keep turning, you can hit as hard as you want with your right hand without the right wrist breaking down. It is the same as in the baseball swing.

A lot of things is just an illusion.

BTW, I'm just a beginner still trying to find out what works.

cheers,

daniel

Evershed uses the baseball drill to teach students how to swing on plane, and to prevent the pitfalls of being off plane. Delaware told me in a PM several months ago to use Evershed's Knowledge video as my textbook for 'magic of the right forearm' swinging, and I would suggest that everyone else that is learning this pattern do the same.

I scored 79 on Friday with windy conditions using Eversheds pattern, and I just creamed the ball with a tour player-like trajectory. It was cool being able to play a draw that could sail under the wind, and drop softly on to the greens.


Evershed seems to focus on a different set of components than Tomaselo. He is all about keeping the right hand in it bent back condition, and swinging left. Mark's version of TT's extensor action drill is interesting, and it kind of shows you the relationship between his pattern and TT's. I've started using TT's extensor action drill while holding a golf club in my left hand, making the drill more task oriented. Mark's pattern seems like a switters stroke.

Good Golfling to you all.

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Old 12-03-2006, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ChangeMySwing
Evershed uses the baseball drill to teach students how to swing on plane, and to prevent the pitfalls of being off plane. Delaware told me in a PM several months ago to use Evershed's Knowledge video as my textbook for 'magic of the right forearm' swinging, and I would suggest that everyone else that is learning this pattern do the same.

I scored 79 on Friday with windy conditions using Eversheds pattern, and I just creamed the ball with a tour player-like trajectory. It was cool being able to play a draw that could sail under the wind, and drop softly on to the greens.


Evershed seems to focus on a different set of components than Tomaselo. He is all about keeping the right hand in it bent back condition, and swinging left. Mark's version of TT's extensor action drill is interesting, and it kind of shows you the relationship between his pattern and TT's. I've started using TT's extensor action drill while holding a golf club in my left hand, making the drill more task oriented. Mark's pattern seems like a switters stroke.

Good Golfling to you all.
What swinging left means in the Evershed video is..."1-L-15" in TGM. That's it. Mark wants to insure that students are achieving 1-L-15. Nothing more nothing less.

What I got out of Evershed's book "The Golf Solution" was the Quiet Body and the section called the Sequence....good drills in both sections of the book. When I first received Mark's book I had an illness that kept me off the golf course for a month, I practiced the drills in that book during that duration. The first tournament that I entered after that month long of study and practice, I won.

DG

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Old 12-05-2006, 05:15 AM
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Hi DG,

TT mentioned in the video that he is using a push basic stroke pattern. This really clears up some frustration for me as I was trying to use a pitch basic stroke and ran into some problems.

However, isn't a push basic stroke pattern a hitting procedure? Or would you classify the right arm swing as a modified hitting procedure?

cheers,

daniel
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by daniell
Hi DG,

TT mentioned in the video that he is using a push basic stroke pattern. This really clears up some frustration for me as I was trying to use a pitch basic stroke and ran into some problems.

However, isn't a push basic stroke pattern a hitting procedure? Or would you classify the right arm swing as a modified hitting procedure?

cheers,

daniel
I believe Tommy referenced the Push basic stroke due to the comment in 10-3-C ..."It is fairly independent of Hip motion and location." a la the quiet body concept...really, is Tommy using a "From an "up-and-out" Elbow Position"??? Nada...

Sorry, Tommy is using a pitch basic stroke for the swinging procedure and a punch basic for hitting. From your comment, you might be executing the pitch basic stroke incorrectly....especially if you're generating big slices...with the Driver! For the correct move in the downstroke, checkout the extensor action drill Tommy executes in the Australia chapter series videos...I highly recommend you watch all of the Tomasello videos and write down all of the drills...then, practice them daily or as much as possible.

DG

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Old 12-06-2006, 04:56 PM
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DW,

Have you experimented with using a 10-2-d style grip with TT's pattern?
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:25 AM
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Hi DG,

Thank you very much.

The part I was refering to is between 14.45 to 15.00 on the letter video part 2.

cheers,

daniel
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by daniell
Hi DG,

Thank you very much.

The part I was refering to is between 14.45 to 15.00 on the letter video part 2.

cheers,

daniel

Minutes earlier....Tommy said "throw it down and out, push it down and out, however you want to call it"...


It's a pitch basic stroke....a right forearm underhand pitch...in the end, Tommy's swinging the club (per 7-3).

DG

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