Was revisting the David Orr-RFT video and was wondering if the proper downstroke sequence would be the opposite feel of the takeaway? Another words, should there be a dropping of the right forearm and then a closing sensation, just the opposite of the fanning in the takeaway?
Study and practice the extensor action drill from the Tomasello Chapter 2 "ARMS" video....from that drill you will learn the correct downstroke motion of the right forearm automatically (it took me years to finally understand how important that drill is).....from the top of a completed backswing....attempt to hit out (analyze this slowly, slow swings), see what happens to your pivot.... and then attempt to hit down, see what happens....then attempt to hit down and out from the top.....you'll find the correct downstroke motion is down with the right forearm. To check yourself, monitor your shoulder motion....with the out motion of the right forearm the shoulders go out....with a down and out motion of the right forearm, again the shoulders will go out. Only with a downward motion of the right forearm does the right shoulder move toward impact on the "Downstroke Clubshaft Plane". Check 7-3 for Homers comment about the precise up and down motion of the right forearm. It's in there............
First question for 8cork....do you understand how the straight line delivery path functions in both the backswing and downswing?
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-23-2007 at 08:19 PM.
I have been traveling and not able to post. In fact I wish the other post was unlocked so I could respond. However it is probably best to just give my thoughts on the importance of the right forearm and its involvement in the swing, especially in start-up.
I was teaching a group of college kids the other day and a girl with a fairly descent motion was really struggling with a pitch shot. Everything looked fine yet her club was FOLLOWING her pivot around her body, coming in under plane, and she was hitting fat shots and tops.
Once I placed a dowel, [yes those wonderful wooden training aids] on the ground as the base of her plane and had her trace it, THE BALL WAS STRUCK PERFECTLY TIME AFTER TIME. when I asked her what was different she said, "I just feel like my arms are tracing the line and my body is making a little turn. In fact it feels very easy to just pick the club up like this. Nobody ever said to do that before."
The next student had a similar problem yet her arms were folding up. I gave a simple explanation of extensor action, placed the dowel on the ground and within a few shots, the sound of compression and another happy co-ed.
Is the right forearm important? ABSOLUTELY!!!! Is the pivot important? ABSOLUTELY!!!! Are all of the components important? You get the idea.
Understanding "the magic of the right forearm" has been vital in my teaching and even more important in my own game.
Study and practice the extensor action drill from the Tomasello Chapter 2 "ARMS" video....from that drill you will learn the correct downstroke motion of the right forearm automatically (it took me years to finally understand how important that drill is).....from the top of a completed backswing....attempt to hit out (analyze this slowly, slow swings), see what happens to your pivot.... and then attempt to hit down, see what happens....then attempt to hit down and out from the top.....you'll find the correct downstroke motion is down with the right forearm. To check yourself, monitor your shoulder motion....with the out motion of the right forearm the shoulders go out....with a down and out motion of the right forearm, again the shoulders will go out. Only with a downward motion of the right forearm does the right shoulder move toward impact on the "Downstroke Clubshaft Plane". Check 7-3 for Homers comment about the precise up and down motion of the right forearm. It's in there............
First question for 8cork....do you understand how the straight line delivery path functions in both the backswing and downswing?
DG
Thanks for the advise DG, for me I think I have to find a happy median with the down motion of the right forearm, and also a closing of the door feeling. If I only feel the right forearm traveling down to the ball I hit high fades/cuts. If I try and close the door too soon, I hit heel shots, my right shoulder travels out instead of down. I look forward to some guidence next month in Orlando.
Thanks for the advise DG, for me I think I have to find a happy median with the down motion of the right forearm, and also a closing of the door feeling. If I only feel the right forearm traveling down to the ball I hit high fades/cuts. If I try and close the door too soon, I hit heel shots, my right shoulder travels out instead of down. I look forward to some guidence next month in Orlando.
Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.
Didn't answer my question about the straight delivery path?
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 11:15 AM.
Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.
Hey, wait a minute.....
Are you saying that he will waste time vistiting the troika????
And that your answer is the best???
Lynn and co don't teach Tommy's pattern or with his method of teaching the right arm. How he taught me, some of the finer points of his instruction are not on the video tapes.
Never said 8cork would be wasting his time in Orlando....that's your incorrect assessment. See how things can get twisted.
Trust me, I have the upmost respect for the way Lynn approaches the machine. If I didn't decide to continue my studies with Tom Tomasello's instruction, I would be studying with Lynn and co.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 11:56 AM.
- don´t they teach it because they don´t know it or because it is a pattern that does not suit everybody?
Yes, it's in the book....Magic of the Right Forearm (to execute the downstroke with 12-1-0 and 12-2-0).
You'll have to ask other AI's why they don't teach like Tommy (but there are AIs that teach exactly what Tommy taught)...I believe Tommy decided to teach from Homers original approach, a right arm/arm swinging based approach to the game in line with Harry Vardon and Tommy Armour. Both Vardon and Armour were against starting the downswing with the lower body.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 12:20 PM.
Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.
Maybe not, DG, but at the very least, we're going to have one heck of a good time looking!
I am happy you have found your "'answer" with the Pattern you learned from Tom Tomasello. And I appreciate your statement that it may also exist "with another pattern."
It is clear that there is more than one way to get the job done. I have always enjoyed the following quote from the Preface of the first edition of The Golfing Machine:
"Writing a book was not the original intention -- only to isolate the mechancial factors. Those factors seeped through slowly at first, but finally burst through the dikes. And the concept of "THE" correct Stroke could only just lay there while several trillion others swept over it. "
Maybe not, DG, but at the very least, we're going to have one heck of a good time looking!
I am happy you have found your "'answer" with the Pattern you learned from Tom Tomasello. And I appreciate your statement that it may also exist "with another pattern." .
It is clear that there is more than one way to get the job done. I have always enjoyed the following quote from the Preface of the first edition of The Golfing Machine:
"Writing a book was not the original intention -- only to isolate the mechancial factors. Those factors seeped through slowly at first, but finally burst through the dikes. And the concept of "THE" correct Stroke could only just lay there while several trillion others swept over it. "
Cool Yoda....I couldn't have said it better. Cheers to another successful LBG Academy/Workshop. Once I get the CFA exams completed, I'll attend one of the academies.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 02-24-2007 at 12:31 PM.
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