Did Homer ever discuss the chip=pitch with Ben? Is it on any of Lynn's recordings? I'm sure it would have been discussed between them at some stage... just did not seem to make it into the book as part of basic motion curriculum. I guess because it is actually a form of acquired (ie you have acquired accumulator 2 a bit...)
Homer Kelley never used the term "Chip-Pitch" in any of his three recorded Master Classes. He never used it personally with me, and I doubt he ever used it with Ben.
My guess is that Ben came up with this term on his own to describe a Chip Shot with a bit of Wristcock (for a modest amount of additional Power). He uses it to bridge the gap between his "Chip" (a short Stroke with Zero Wristcock) and his full-fledged "Pitch" (a longer Stroke with Wristcock that is clearly out of the 'Chip' category). His "Punch" adds a strong Right Arm Thrust to the Stroke. With the exception of his chip-pitch hybrid, these terms have been in the golfing lexicon for centuries and create no conflict with TGM.
Ben controls the length of the Stroke by varying the amount of "swivel" ("1/3 swivel, 2/3 swivel, full swivel"). Here, until Ben's meaning is understood, things can get a bit confusing for students of The Golfing Machine. His term "swivel" refers the amount of Hip Turn one would experience if sitting on a "swivel" chair from the end of the Follow-Through ("1/3 swivel"), into what he calls "Transfer Follow-Through" ("2/3 swivel") -- this is the Finish Swivel (of the Wrists) as defined in TGM -- and the Finish ("full swivel").
Now, TGM defines the Pivot Motion in terms of Zero, Partial and Full, but there is certainly nothing wrong with Ben's terms. As I've said, there is only a potential for confusion if the student does not know he is referring to Hip Swivel, not Forearm Swivel (which he is also markedly doing as he demonstrates). His term does not relate to the term as defined in the book, i.e., the independent "Roll" of the Hands and Wrists from Release to Impact and also, from the end of the Follow-Through into the Finish (2-G; 4-D-0).
In other words, the Swivel Action defined in TGM is a true rotation of the Hands (not the Body) into and out of the Impact Interval. It is thus differentiated from the Hinge Action that occurs during the Impact Interval (wherein the Flat Left Wrist simply remains perpendicular to one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion, i.e., Horizontal, Angled or Vertical). Swivel Action is made possible by the Swivel 'joint' in the Left Forearm (Sketch 2-K #4).
Ben controls the length of those Strokes by varying the amount of Pivot ("1/3 swivel, 2/3 swivel, full swivel"). Here things can get a bit confusing for students of The Golfing Machine. His term "swivel" refers to the amount of Body Turn one would experience if sitting on a "swivel" chair. It does not relate to the term as defined in the book, i.e., the independent "Roll" of the Wrists from Release to Impact and also, from the end of the Follow-Through into the Finish (2-G).
Yes sir...Before I met you I visited Ben for a lesson. I had a difficult time going through his swivel exercises because I interpreted them (correctly) as being hand motions.
I was getting a wee bit uncomfortable when Ben kept grabbing my belt loop and jerking my left hip around on those 2/3 swivels while I was trying my best to execute an angled hinge.
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Bagger
1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Homer Kelley never used the term "Chip-Pitch" in any of his three recorded Master Classes. He never used it personally with me, and I doubt he ever used it with Ben.
My guess is that Ben came up with this term on his own to describe a Chip Shot with a bit of Wristcock (for a modest amount of additional Power). He uses it to bridge the gap between his "Chip" (a short Stroke with Zero Wristcock) and his full-fledged "Pitch" (a longer Stroke with Wristcock that is clearly out of the 'Chip' category). His "Punch" adds a strong Right Arm Thrust to the Stroke.
Ben controls the length of those Strokes by varying the amount of Pivot ("1/3 swivel, 2/3 swivel, full swivel"). Here things can get a bit confusing for students of The Golfing Machine. His term "swivel" refers to the amount of Body Turn one would experience if sitting on a "swivel" chair. It does not relate to the term as defined in the book, i.e., the independent "Roll" of the Wrists from Release to Impact and also, from the end of the Follow-Through into the Finish (2-G).
In other words, the Swivel Action described in TGM is a true rotation of the Hands (not the Body) into and out of the Impact Interval. It is thus differentiated from the Hinge Action that occurs during the Impact Interval (wherein the Flat Left Wrist simply remains perpendicular to one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion, i.e., Horizontal, Angled or Vertical). Swivel Action is made possible by the Swivel 'joint' in the Left Forearm (Sketch 2-K #4).
Thanks for your advice, Yoda. I see where the precision of Homer's work may have become confused. As Ben was the first authorised instructor , how much control did Homer want to exert over Ben's interpretation of the text? I guess we will never know... except that Homer was keen on precision!
I can see what Bagger means about the term "swivel" too...
As Ben was the first authorised instructor , how much control did Homer want to exert over Ben's interpretation of the text? I guess we will never know... except that Homer was keen on precision!
Homer Kelley always admired the creativity of Authorized Instructors. That was one of the reasons he put so few drills in the book. Said he:
"I want you guys to have a 'free hand.'"
However, when it came to the terminology, he was adamant:
"Interpret it and expand on it all you want. But don't replace it."
The problem, as he saw it, was that AIs would begin to substitute their own terms -- this is NOT the same thing as interpreting, expanding, demonstrating, using analogies, etc. -- for the ones he so carefully defined in TGM. For example, they would substitute the word "'this'" for the applicable TGM term. And then another AI would say, "'Well, 'this' means 'that,' so I'll just use my own term, 'that,' instead."' And it's downhill from there. Quoting Homer: "Pretty soon you've got the Tower of Babel again."
He held that view to the end. From the revisions to the 7th edition (1-H):
"...this book provides a complete, unified golfing terminology. Even if a term offends, use it as indicated, anyway. It has ample justification, and probably much more than the term you've been applying."
Hybrid Mode
