Tomasello Argument - Final Comment

[ChangeMySwing]

IN TGM the ARMS LANE IS THE POWER LANE NOT THE PIVOT...Hips do not provide power they only maintain velocity.



Physically impossible!

[Delaware Golf]

IN TGM the ARMS LANE IS THE POWER LANE NOT THE PIVOT...Hips do not provide power they only maintain velocity.



Physically impossible!

Physically impossible aye....from the man himself.

Tomasello on the big muscles trying to generate power.

Tomasello: Don’t let your right elbow go behind you, it’s got to stay in front. Straight up…..Uncock….Yeah uncock the elbow…. nice and smooth….how easy can you do it.

Yeah that’s good….then you just face the target right.

Can you appreciate that… if that was a hammer or an axe and all that you did was this (drop it), how much power would that generate all by itself.

See, it isn’t that the hips are producing power, they are not, they are only maintaining the velocity that you generated here (uncocking of the right elbow, karate chop), that’s all they do….hips don’t generate power….it’s just to continue the speed that you generated here (karate chop)….how long does this take to get going there (uncocking the right elbow), not very long….and the hips continue that motion, that’s all…..So the big muscles do not supply power…but they want to." Tom Tomasello October 1993.

Thanks Mr. Tomasello for clearing that up....(Karate Chop it). Do you really understand TGM.


DG

[mrodock]

The pelvis is not attached to the shoulder girdle. We can move our hips independently of our shoulders. Thus, clubhead speed does not increase because of fast hips, in fact, it can slow down because moving the hips too fast can throw everything out of sequence. A quicker shoulder turn through the ball however will increase clubhead speed.

[6bmike]

Yes, Hula Hula. Independently BUT in coordination with each other. Check 7-15. "The work the Hip Action does, is to lead and pull the shoulders back and down in varying combinations."

and of course in response to the Hands.



You can also say the pivot (as Homer does) generates power (pivot Lag) because the shoulders are part of the pivot. Which was the original post.

6b

[mrodock]

Yes, Hula Hula. Independently BUT in coordination with each other. Check 7-15. "The work the Hip Action does, is to lead and pull the shoulders back and down in varying combinations."

and of course in response to the Hands.



You can also say the pivot (as Homer does) generates power (pivot Lag) because the shoulders are part of the pivot. Which was the original post.

6b

I don't disagree with any of the above


Bucket,

Indeed you are right, I should take your advice more often

[6bmike]

I don't disagree with any of the above


Bucket,

Indeed you are right, I should take your advice more often

Getting married? Congrats to you and the now 'better half."

[mrodock]

Getting married? Congrats to you and the now 'better half."

Truth is, I'm not viable until I have my B.S.

[12 piece bucket]

The pelvis is not attached to the shoulder girdle. Fast hips, in fact, it can slow it down because moving the hips too fast can throw everything out of the ball and will increase head speed.

Ain't you scheduled to get married soon? You orta be shamed of yourself.

She may can wear white . . . but you better rethink sportin' in white.

Did you motorboat?

[Delaware Golf]

The pelvis is not attached to the shoulder girdle. We can move our hips independently of our shoulders. Thus, clubhead speed does not increase because of fast hips, in fact, it can slow down because moving the hips too fast can throw everything out of sequence. A quicker shoulder turn through the ball however will increase clubhead speed.

Interesting observation above....

Let's checkout what a GSED has to say...

GI: And what about everything else; feet, knees, shoulders, hands, wrists?

Tomasello: All these body parts move, of course, but only in response to the up-and-down force of the right forearm and the outward force of the hip rotation. Your shoulders, for example, turn only because your hips have turned. There is no "tension" or "seperation" of the hips and shoulders."


So who are you going to believe?

Hips move in response to the right forearm...then lead and power the Downstroke Shoulder Turn. Per 10-15-B.

DG

[6bmike]

Interesting observation above....

Let's checkout what a GSED has to say...

GI: And what about everything else; feet, knees, shoulders, hands, wrists?

Tomasello: All these body parts move, of course, but only in response to the up-and-down force of the right forearm and the outward force of the hip rotation. Your shoulders, for example, turn only because your hips have turned. There is no "tension" or "seperation" of the hips and shoulders."


So who are you going to believe?

Hips move in response to the right forearm...then lead and power the Downstroke Shoulder Turn. Per 10-15-B.

DG

I'll believe HOMER.
I do believe we are talking about the DOWNSWING, right? The first part of the 10-15-B is about the delayed hip motion on the Take-Up.

"Hip Slide starts the down swing"
"Use the Turning Hip to carry the Right Elbow"
"use the Sliding Hip to carry the Right Elbow"
and in 10-15-B- [after back swing] "The Hips then take over and lead and power the Downstroke Shoulder Turn.

Nowhere in 10-15-B does it give the notion that the hips respond to the right arm moving on the DOWNSWING.

Doesn't TT show the right arm pulling down straight down (re-connect) to the body's side without a hip action on the start down? Certainly without a slide. Is he really using 10-15-C?