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Old 03-29-2007, 09:05 PM
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another way of comprehending is not covering but rather pointing at the base extension of the plane line....kinda like if the shaft extended as you go back...it would go from say 45'' long at startup too 60'' a couple of feet in the backswing, does that make more sense? that way if it extended for real, even if you are in an arc, the extension would still be covering the line.
I can understand that you could be tracing the alternate plane line, but as I remember Homer specifically refers to the clubhead covering the alternate plane line and he usually meant what he wrote. I didn't see how the clubhead could ever cover any plane line except maybe if the club was on a completely vertical plane.
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Old 03-29-2007, 10:13 PM
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I can understand that you could be tracing the alternate plane line, but as I remember Homer specifically refers to the clubhead covering the alternate plane line and he usually meant what he wrote. I didn't see how the clubhead could ever cover any plane line except maybe if the club was on a completely vertical plane.
You're certainly on the right track. I've spent many hours studying this very subject.

I had problems reconciling the logical arguments and statements about this subject. My major concerns were with the seeming contradictions with 1-L. So, I knew I was treading in unchartered territory.

The Angle of Approach Procedure is a 10-5-E, closed Plane Line. This Plane Line is a line that is VISUALLY covered by the clubhead blur. The reason that the clubhead can VISUALLY cover and still move in a circle, per 1-L #9 is: the steepness of the plane.

When you're riding a bike and you look down at the tire, you see the straight line that the tire covers (wheel track). When you're watching someone ride beside you, you're seeing the side of the wheel (wheel rim). It's all about VISUAL perspective.

When Impact and Low Point are kept as two constant points on a 10-5-A Plane, a second Plane could pass through the same two points and be much more vertical. As the steepness of the new Plane approaches the steepness of the eyes (compared to the Turned Shoulder Plane with the eyes above it), it appears to be a straight line blur of the clubhead.

It's something that can be shown in a couple of minutes with two circles. But, it's a little hard to put into words.
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It's something that can be shown in a couple of minutes with two circles. But, it's a little hard to put into words.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post

It's something that can be shown in a couple of minutes with two circles. But, it's a little hard to put into words.
Don't we have a video of that? I've done over 75 videos for this site and seem to recall a session with you and the hulu hoop.

Before anyone gets any ideas, it wasn't around the Nukesters hips!
It was around his head.

It may be in my private lesson stock.
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Don't we have a video of that? I've done over 75 videos for this site and seem to recall a session with you and the hulu hoop.

Before anyone gets any ideas, it wasn't around the Nukesters hips!
It was around his head.

It may be in my private lesson stock.
I have seen this demonstrated too but I don't think it was in a video though (I think Ted showed the hula hoop to Martee and I when I was down at the Swamp) When demonstrated it was like ahhhh........I get it now. A very simple setup that explained a lot of things.
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You're certainly on the right track. I've spent many hours studying this very subject.

I had problems reconciling the logical arguments and statements about this subject. My major concerns were with the seeming contradictions with 1-L. So, I knew I was treading in unchartered territory.

The Angle of Approach Procedure is a 10-5-E, closed Plane Line. This Plane Line is a line that is VISUALLY covered by the clubhead blur. The reason that the clubhead can VISUALLY cover and still move in a circle, per 1-L #9 is: the steepness of the plane.

When you're riding a bike and you look down at the tire, you see the straight line that the tire covers (wheel track). When you're watching someone ride beside you, you're seeing the side of the wheel (wheel rim). It's all about VISUAL perspective.

When Impact and Low Point are kept as two constant points on a 10-5-A Plane, a second Plane could pass through the same two points and be much more vertical. As the steepness of the new Plane approaches the steepness of the eyes (compared to the Turned Shoulder Plane with the eyes above it), it appears to be a straight line blur of the clubhead.

It's something that can be shown in a couple of minutes with two circles. But, it's a little hard to put into words.
Great post! Ted . . . After incubating the theoretical side of the Angle of Approach . . . do you think in EXECUTION of the procedure . . . "JUST GO OUT TO RIGHT FIELD" is the thing to do? And experiement with HOW MUCH OUT works best for the player? Or does the procedure in fact require a great deal of precision with regards to the actual Angle of Approach line?
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:17 PM
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You're certainly on the right track. I've spent many hours studying this very subject.

I had problems reconciling the logical arguments and statements about this subject. My major concerns were with the seeming contradictions with 1-L. So, I knew I was treading in unchartered territory.

The Angle of Approach Procedure is a 10-5-E, closed Plane Line. This Plane Line is a line that is VISUALLY covered by the clubhead blur. The reason that the clubhead can VISUALLY cover and still move in a circle, per 1-L #9 is: the steepness of the plane.

When you're riding a bike and you look down at the tire, you see the straight line that the tire covers (wheel track). When you're watching someone ride beside you, you're seeing the side of the wheel (wheel rim). It's all about VISUAL perspective.

When Impact and Low Point are kept as two constant points on a 10-5-A Plane, a second Plane could pass through the same two points and be much more vertical. As the steepness of the new Plane approaches the steepness of the eyes (compared to the Turned Shoulder Plane with the eyes above it), it appears to be a straight line blur of the clubhead.

It's something that can be shown in a couple of minutes with two circles. But, it's a little hard to put into words.
Ted, thank you very much for your post. It really helped clear things up. Looking forward to seeing a video on this to make it concrete for me.
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke View Post
You're certainly on the right track. I've spent many hours studying this very subject.

I had problems reconciling the logical arguments and statements about this subject. My major concerns were with the seeming contradictions with 1-L. So, I knew I was treading in unchartered territory.

The Angle of Approach Procedure is a 10-5-E, closed Plane Line. This Plane Line is a line that is VISUALLY covered by the clubhead blur. The reason that the clubhead can VISUALLY cover and still move in a circle, per 1-L #9 is: the steepness of the plane.

When you're riding a bike and you look down at the tire, you see the straight line that the tire covers (wheel track). When you're watching someone ride beside you, you're seeing the side of the wheel (wheel rim). It's all about VISUAL perspective.

When Impact and Low Point are kept as two constant points on a 10-5-A Plane, a second Plane could pass through the same two points and be much more vertical. As the steepness of the new Plane approaches the steepness of the eyes (compared to the Turned Shoulder Plane with the eyes above it), it appears to be a straight line blur of the clubhead.

It's something that can be shown in a couple of minutes with two circles. But, it's a little hard to put into words.
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