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Old 05-08-2007, 10:20 AM
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Just got my Golf Digest with the Plummer Bennett stuff in it. They need to be on this site . . .
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They are on this site. Just not posting.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Bucket,

They are on this site. Just not posting.
Well there you go! I never did have much luck with the silent type . . . the Moooing type was more my speed.
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:30 AM
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Everybody lurks here. Listen to the mainstream talk these days. They may not be reading Homer's Book but they sure read Blake. And told a friend, who told a friend.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:32 PM
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Everybody lurks here. Listen to the mainstream talk these days. They may not be reading Homer's Book but they sure read Blake. And told a friend, who told a friend.

That would be cuzin around here.
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:21 PM
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For those that don't get Golf Digest and want to see the article: http://www.golfdigest.com/stackandtilt. This link worked last I checked. In the article they advocate for a centered and stationary head until after impact because it makes it easier to have a low point in front of the ball and gives the player one less variable in their swing. I have no problem with this, but what I do not understand is under this philosophy of the less variables the better--why would you want someone to straighten their posture when coming into impact? To me, this is an extra variable that is necessary because the right fore-arm is not set on-plane. Therefore, the player needs to straighten up to avoid hitting several inches behind the ball.

Please correct me if I am misrepresenting the swing.

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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:30 PM
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The Current Hype.. whats it about?
My personal 2 cents about this swing..

As we all know feel is execution, and the simplicity of feel is the simplicity of execution. As 5-0 is also explaining similar concept in TGM.

I think , MAC design this swing to simplify the feel aspect. the rotated shoulder turn steep by moving the hip to be ON PLANE on the top, keep arm going back without lifting in a specific angle to arrive at elbow plane-Automatically. Visually your perception of the ball position stays the same( which is great). Release the pelvis and the ball goes off. Thus once thus it is learn properly.. its basically pretty much a low maintenance swing.. bio mechanically sound swing, as we probably spend less time to practice tracing the forearm all the time, how much to fan, how much to lift.look look look..

Why is that important? my guess, is not merely ball striking.. but more importantly SHOT MAKING. We want to play golf , reproduce Reliability and sound mechanic under pressure( by feel), produce the trajectories we want. We want to score and really PLAY golf.

But , i haven't really learn the swing, only know roughly how it works .so my synopsis is pretty much worthless.. nobody is willing to impart anything further than what we see here so. will be great someone write more 10 position or something.. but this is what i think all this "Hype" about One Plane swing.. MORAD is really about.

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Old 05-08-2007, 09:22 PM
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matt you are absolutely correct.you can still stay centered and transfer weight to the right.imagine a baseball player trying to hit a 90 mph fastball with a his weight on his left foot.not going to have much power in his swing is he.you guys need to just keep working on a hand controlled pivot and forget the rest.listen to the true tgm guys and we all know who they are
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Old 05-08-2007, 09:48 PM
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Centered Head And the Weight Shift
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matt you are absolutely correct.you can still stay centered and transfer weight to the right.imagine a baseball player trying to hit a 90 mph fastball with a his weight on his left foot.not going to have much power in his swing is he.you guys need to just keep working on a hand controlled pivot and forget the rest.listen to the true tgm guys and we all know who they are
Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett advocate a centered Head. For those who follow Homer Kelley and his recommended Stationary Head, that is is a good thing (1-L-#1/#2, 2-0, 2-G [7th edition] and the Head-marked photos in 9-1 and 9-2). Unfortunately (in my opinion), in their pursuit of Centered Arc and a spine that stays vertical ("over the ball"), they apparently abandon the Backstroke Weight shift that has for centuries been the mainstay of conventional Pivot instruction (7-12 and 10-12-A).

Also, their recommended target-wise tilt of the upper body (Plummer, page 130) and steep Backstroke Left Shoulder Turn (it "turns down, pointing almost toward the Ball") ignores the fact that the Inclined Plane is inclined. Remember, it is a 'through the waist' Plane of Rotation, and in order for the Right Shoulder to be On Plane at the Top, the Right Shoulder Backstroke Turn will ideally move as directly, i.e., Flat , toward the Plane as possible. Except with the shortest Clubs -- and even then it is either only relative or restricted to the low-power Minor Basic Strokes -- a steep shoulder Turn is not compatible with this geometric objective.

The good news is that you can have the Head Pivot Center (with its Centered Arc) and the Weight Shift (with its additional Power). For proof, check out frames 3 & 4 of the V.J. Singh Swing Sequence in the same Golf Digest edition (May 2007). Note that his Hips and Shoulder Turns are "stacked" and that there is no 'pie,' i.e., an angle of the back from the vertical. Alternatively, click on this on-line view of V.J.'s swing:

http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...ijaysingh.html

In The Golfing Machine, Homer Kelley coined the term Hula Hula Flexibility to describe this ability to Shift the Weight while maintaining a Centered, Stationary Head (7-14).
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lunge equals sway!!! i would reject that statement.
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