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Old 05-14-2007, 12:47 AM
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The Purpose-Driven Pivot
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That intention to move your hands and the club is the christmas tree that everything else hangs on. It is the canvass that the artist uses to paint the painting. It is the basic. Everything else is just details.
Intention.

I like that word.

Are you saying that the intention to move the Hands causes the Pivot to move first? And to thus initiate its Power Package Transportation and alignment-support assignments?
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:11 AM
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Intention.

I like that word.

Are you saying that the intention to move the Hands causes the Pivot to move first? And to thus initiate its Power Package Transportation and alignment-support assignments?
To not get ahead of myself and answer your basic question in regards to "what I am saying" in the section that you quoted

I'm saying that the starting point for my movement theory - is that all conscious movement is goal oriented. Not only in the golf movement but any movement.

The nature and goal of that movement determines what part of the body one would try to move. If the basic goal is to hit the ball with a club and the club is attached to your foot- then to perform that movement "correctly" on the widest level- your intention would be to move your foot - with it's corresponding awareness of the club - to hit the ball. If the club is attached to your head- then your intention would be to move your head and the corresponding awareness of the club - to hit the ball. Since, most of us grab the club with both hands - then moving the hands and the corresponding awareness of the club is the proper intention of the movement.

That's what I would consider the first principle. It's the outer most layer of the onion. There are many, many layers of knowledge, understanding, perspective, below it but none of it should contradict or nullify that fact.

To touch on your question "was I saying the intention of moving the hands causes the pivot to move first" and at the same time to highlight one of the issues that is important - the mechanical (what's happening) versus the intention (what you are trying to do).

In golf or any "back and through" athletic movement - On the basic level I would say that your intention would be to "take it back there and then bring it down here". However, in these ballistic movements the intention won't match the actual. Your intent to bring it back down- is just the first stage of slowing down the backswing. On the intention side- YOU ARE starting the downswing. On the mechanical side the arm and the club and shoulders etc. are still swinging back. In order for the hand to slow down, the arm must stop moving across the chest, in order for that to stop moving the muscles of the next joint must stop or brake the motion of the arms, etc. etc. down to the feet. So depending on numerous other factors- visually - you may or may not see the pivot components move or appear to move in the other direction before or as the hands begin to move in that direction.
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Old 05-14-2007, 10:10 AM
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To not get ahead of myself and answer your basic question in regards to "what I am saying" in the section that you quoted

I'm saying that the starting point for my movement theory - is that all conscious movement is goal oriented. Not only in the golf movement but any movement.

The nature and goal of that movement determines what part of the body one would try to move. If the basic goal is to hit the ball with a club and the club is attached to your foot- then to perform that movement "correctly" on the widest level- your intention would be to move your foot - with it's corresponding awareness of the club - to hit the ball. If the club is attached to your head- then your intention would be to move your head and the corresponding awareness of the club - to hit the ball. Since, most of us grab the club with both hands - then moving the hands and the corresponding awareness of the club is the proper intention of the movement.

That's what I would consider the first principle. It's the outer most layer of the onion. There are many, many layers of knowledge, understanding, perspective, below it but none of it should contradict or nullify that fact.

To touch on your question "was I saying the intention of moving the hands causes the pivot to move first" and at the same time to highlight one of the issues that is important - the mechanical (what's happening) versus the intention (what you are trying to do).

In golf or any "back and through" athletic movement - On the basic level I would say that your intention would be to "take it back there and then bring it down here". However, in these ballistic movements the intention won't match the actual. Your intent to bring it back down- is just the first stage of slowing down the backswing. On the intention side- YOU ARE starting the downswing. On the mechanical side the arm and the club and shoulders etc. are still swinging back. In order for the hand to slow down, the arm must stop moving across the chest, in order for that to stop moving the muscles of the next joint must stop or brake the motion of the arms, etc. etc. down to the feet. So depending on numerous other factors- visually - you may or may not see the pivot components move or appear to move in the other direction before or as the hands begin to move in that direction.

Great post Mike! . . . . SOMEBODY PLEASE DIAL 911!!!!! MIKE OBERDINK IS A DANGER TO HIMSELF!!!!

Mikey calm down man . . . go to the draw with the Elmo sticker on it. Eat 5 no 15 of the pretty pills. Take off the girls undies and lay down. The truck with the pretty lights and the nice men will be there to take you to the "vacation" spot. For now deeeeeeep slow breaths.
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