PGA and Golfing Machine

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...that Gary Wiren, after meeting with Ben Doyle and listening to him explain what the book was all about, came to the conclusion that TGM was going to be "too much" for the average PGA professional to understand, absorb, apply and then teach. What a shame that this kind of attitude was so pervasive back then. TGM, back then was considered even more radical than it is considered today.

If I am wrong about any of the above, I hope someone will correct me on this. But, I believe this to be generally the truth.

In defense of Wiren perhaps he was correct. The internet video digital technology is what allowed CEvans, Yoda to clear the TGM fog and teach it correctly to golfers.

[efnef]

In defense of Wiren perhaps he was correct. The internet video digital technology is what allowed CEvans, Yoda to clear the TGM fog and teach it correctly to golfers.

Ever see/read the PGA teaching manual Wiren put out?

[SECGolf]

The problem of "simple and hurried" over "truthful and deliberate" is hardly unique to golf instruction - you can see it all over the business world.

People naturally pay attention to the FEW who, for one reason or another, have success with "simple and hurried." No one wants to seem to acknowledge the MANY, MANY more who FAIL with "simple and hurried."

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Ever see/read the PGA teaching manual Wiren put out?

I have not read it.

[lagster]

I think the PGA does not want to adopt a single teaching system or book.
They have over the years used different books, and manuals for it's apprentices, to help teach them about golf swings, and teaching golf. The Flick/Toski book, Gary Wiren's book, Rick Martino's book, and there were others. Some basic TGM would definately be helpful for the apprentices.

Some of the TGMers do occasionally teach at PGA seminars and Teaching Summits. Tom Ness, Chuck Cook, Chuck Evans, Ben Doyle, George Kelnhofer, and many others have taught, or spoken at PGA functions.

I actually helped get TGM back on the approved list for education points just 8 or 9 years ago. It had just about fallen off the map. The TGM website, and then Lynn's site has helped bring TGM to the world.

[Yoda]

I actually helped get TGM back on the approved list for education points just 8 or 9 years ago. It had just about fallen off the map. The TGM website, and then Lynn's site has helped bring TGM to the world.

Today at a businessman's lunch, my darting eyes couldn't help but catch the silent, closed caption transcript above The Open Championship telecast at the back of the room.

The video was of the young Rory McIlry.

The unidentified voiceover was -- I can only guess -- Bobby Clampett?

In any event, the references to Mr. McIlry's Golf Stroke included:

-- "On Plane."

-- "Lots of Lag."

- "And he 'sustains' it through Impact."

No way this commentary would have happened twenty years ago. But now it is happening almost every week.

It's a good thing.

[6bmike]

Today at a businessman's lunch, my darting eyes couldn't help but catch the silent, closed caption transcript above The Open Championship telecast at the back of the room.

The video was of the young Rory McIlry.

The unidentified voiceover was -- I can only guess -- Bobby Clampett?

In any event, the references to Mr. McIlry's Golf Stroke included:

-- "On Plane."

-- "Lots of Lag."

- "And he 'sustains' it through Impact."

No way this commentary would have happened twenty years ago. But now it is happening almost every week.

It's a good thing.

And how many TGMer kinds are inside the ropes each week with you, Lynn? Take a bow.

[SECGolf]

Today at a businessman's lunch, my darting eyes couldn't help but catch the silent, closed caption transcript above The Open Championship telecast at the back of the room.

The video was of the young Rory McIlry.

The unidentified voiceover was -- I can only guess -- Bobby Clampett?

In any event, the references to Mr. McIlry's Golf Stroke included:

-- "On Plane."

-- "Lots of Lag."

- "And he 'sustains' it through Impact."

No way this commentary would have happened twenty years ago. But now it is happening almost every week.

It's a good thing.

On last Friday's telecast of the John Deere, Clampett was discussing how a player made a divot with a 3 wood. He used the exact phrase "clubhead lag pressure" (not just "lag" or "clubhead lag", but "clubhead lag pressure").

Yesterday on the telecast from Open, Clampett was discussing Sergio's putting. He use the exact phrase "on plane forearm."

It sure seems like he is making an effort to use the exact TGM terminology in a loud and clear fashion.

[Mike O]

Whether it be because he has published his book and wants to sell more of them or he just has those concepts on his mind more - It's been my perception that Bobby Clampett has changed his entire announcing approach over the last couple of weeks0. For me it's been a dramatic shift in announcing style.

I liked him a lot more as an announcer before he started that stuff in the last couple of weeks.

But that's just me. Only his boss's and the viewing audience will determine if he continues to announce with this "new" approach.

I just want to watch the golf tournament and not have someone input "their" "teaching" system- into my living room. Or better said, I wouldn't mind it if he was analyzing someones swing on the Bizhub with a complete anaylsis- but I don't care for a constant analysis in the telecast as part of the play by play! In other words, if it was football- I like to hear the announcer say "look it that halfback cut back and juke that linebacker - what a move!"- and not add or input some analysis of fully planting on the inside of the foot- with an on-plane hip slant, directly in line and opposed to the on plane motion................

I'd guess it won't continue- but that's only because if I was his boss it wouldn't continue- not during the play by play or color commentary. Did I miss something- did Faldo (I know could be the wrong network but you know what I mean) or someone else go bye bye and Clampett's new role is to analyze the swings besides what he was doing before- maybe this is part of a step up for him or grooming for a higher spot in the broadcasting booth.

[Yoda]

It sure seems like he is making an effort to use the exact TGM terminology in a loud and clear fashion.

Bobby and I talked about it at the AT&T Classic in Atlanta last May. He said he was somewhat limited, but that he was 'making progress.'