The pivot does not decelerates at any point except it brakes near the end of the swing. For swinging, the speed of pivot is the same throughout, hitting, the speed of pivot is gradually increasing due to the different Physics of loading.
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Nuke, do you think that the pivot maintains constant speed throughout swinging motion?
Nuke, do you think that the pivot maintains constant speed throughout swinging motion?
I do not think that physics supports this??
Or is it something that you feel?
Not something I feel.
for swinging, and hitting, the pivot have slightly different role. each own ways will sustain lag pressure the most.
Instant Hip Acceleration for swinging... to go against the weight of the club....7-19..
Lag loading an Axe .. Vs Lag loading a string..
so.. if you decelerate.. what happens to that string.. simplest way i could explain.. answer. lose lag. throwaway...
If you are stressing an Axe... same speed what will happen? vs increasing accelerating speed.?
yes its a little to do with physics.
The PP3 lag should not "release" until the swing is almost finished.
Hitting have right forearm throw.. swinging is pure pivot + what u call wrist throw.
And sam snead is using Std hip action vs Hogan Delayed hip action..
Both can work very well .. and TGM people here prefer delayed hip.. Just make sure u understand what u are doing...
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"2-M-3. MUSCLES
Unless Pivot Thrust actually drives #4 Accumulator through Impact, its assignment during that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance and support of the Power Package, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during Delivery. "
"2-M-4. BODY POWER
...To clear the fog, consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting a Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact, or as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitter's loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed. (Study 6-B-4, 6-C-0 and 7-12 in this connection.)"
"6-B-4-0. THE FOURTH POWER ACCUMULATOR
...As Accumulator #4, it is Pivot (Body) Power supplying the initial acceleration of the Downstroke to throw the Lever Assemblies toward Impact by the Thrust of the Shoulder Turn. (See 7-13.) "
Here are a few quotes which i found last night which support the discussion of what i was trying to express. I might be misreading Homer's original intent - if so please put me right! --Thanks!
2-M-4 suggests that the pivot blasts the left arm into ORBIT towards impact.
6-B-4-0 seems to support the fact that pivot power for swinger is providing the INITIAL movement of the power package in order to THROW the arms towards impact.
ORBIT and THROW suggest that the powering nature of the pivot is over once the power package has been blasted off. The power package is on plane and moving freely.
2-M-3 suggests that, unless the accumulator 4 is actively driving left arm through impact ( ? would this be on short strokes only which are too short to allow blast off?), then the pivot motion does not usually drive the power package through impact but moves to sustain lag pressure point 3 and PERMIT and ACCOMMODATE the correct movement of the power package within the constraints of the imperatives and essentials.
ie. once the power package is accelerated on plane then the pivot REACTS to allow the motion of the power package to trace straight line, sustain lag etc ... so the body is still moving alot ( NO QUITTING HERE) ... just that it is not actively powering the arms through impact.
In fact my current feel is that the requirement to sustain pp3 lag pressure after release and trace a straight plane line is what forces the MOTION of the pivot... especially the right shoulder going down plane beyond impact...
The distinction i see here is that Ben Doyle in the gallery videos often describes the ACTIVE MOVEMENT of the lower body around impact with the "catch the tail of the doggy" story ( where he actively "snaps" his pivot towards impact). But i wonder if this motion is actually a REACTIVE MOVEMENT in a true hands controlled pivot??
This might have already crossed the line between useful discussion and esoteric twaddle... sorry if that is the case for you!!!
Time to hit more balls and less keyboards!!
Last edited by golfbulldog : 08-26-2007 at 04:45 AM.
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"2-M-3. MUSCLES
Unless Pivot Thrust actually drives #4 Accumulator through Impact, its assignment during that interval is more clearly defined if considered as delivery, guidance and support of the Power Package, because it may or may not have contributed anything but motion during Delivery. "
"2-M-4. BODY POWER
...To clear the fog, consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting a Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact, or as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitter's loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed. (Study 6-B-4, 6-C-0 and 7-12 in this connection.)"
"6-B-4-0. THE FOURTH POWER ACCUMULATOR
...As Accumulator #4, it is Pivot (Body) Power supplying the initial acceleration of the Downstroke to throw the Lever Assemblies toward Impact by the Thrust of the Shoulder Turn. (See 7-13.) "
Here are a few quotes which i found last night which support the discussion of what i was trying to express. I might be misreading Homer's original intent - if so please put me right! --Thanks!
2-M-4 suggests that the pivot blasts the left arm into ORBIT towards impact.
6-B-4-0 seems to support the fact that pivot power for swinger is providing the INITIAL movement of the power package in order to THROW the arms towards impact.
ORBIT and THROW suggest that the powering nature of the pivot is over once the power package has been blasted off. The power package is on plane and moving freely.
2-M-3 suggests that, unless the accumulator 4 is actively driving left arm through impact ( ? would this be on short strokes only which are too short to allow blast off?), then the pivot motion does not usually drive the power package through impact but moves to sustain lag pressure point 3 and PERMIT and ACCOMMODATE the correct movement of the power package within the constraints of the imperatives and essentials.
ie. once the power package is accelerated on plane then the pivot REACTS to allow the motion of the power package to trace straight line, sustain lag etc ... so the body is still moving alot ( NO QUITTING HERE) ... just that it is not actively powering the arms through impact.
In fact my current feel is that the requirement to sustain pp3 lag pressure after release and trace a straight plane line is what forces the MOTION of the pivot... especially the right shoulder going down plane beyond impact...
The distinction i see here is that Ben Doyle in the gallery videos often describes the ACTIVE MOVEMENT of the lower body around impact with the "catch the tail of the doggy" story ( where he actively "snaps" his pivot towards impact). But i wonder if this motion is actually a REACTIVE MOVEMENT in a true hands controlled pivot??
This might have already crossed the line between useful discussion and esoteric twaddle... sorry if that is the case for you!!!
Time to hit more balls and less keyboards!!
Well said Bulldog! In the glossary under Axe Handle/Rope Handle is a nice differentiation between Hitting and Swinging. Regardless of what accumulators are used or not used- comparatively speaking Hitting is continuous thrust and Swinging is inital Thrust. Of course, both have continuous, constant lag pressure in the hands until after the ball is gone.
P.S. regarding the PM discussion we were having about a certain house located in North Carolina - having a greasy smell floating around it- with 5-8 rusty cars in the front lawn- YES, make the calls - line the troops up - it's time to make the hit!
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Well said Bulldog! In the glossary under Axe Handle/Rope Handle is a nice differentiation between Hitting and Swinging. Regardless of what accumulators are used or not used- comparatively speaking Hitting is continuous thrust and Swinging is inital Thrust. Of course, both have continuous, constant lag pressure in the hands until after the ball is gone.
P.S. regarding the PM discussion we were having about a certain house located in North Carolina - having a greasy smell floating around it- with 5-8 rusty cars in the front lawn- YES, make the calls - line the troops up - it's time to make the hit!
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