What adjustments in loft/lie have you found necessary for this procedure, for yourself as well as students?
Usually, the only difference that I see is less variance between Address shaft angle and Impact shaft angle. Since we test Impact dynamically on a lie board, it matters less what they look like at Address. I'm sure you've seen plenty of people with the toe of the club off the ground at Address that also marked it perfectly at Impact. I know for a long time it looked like Mac was tying his shoes at Address, but his shaft angle looked normal at Impact.
But, I find very little (if any) difference in the way I'm marking the club when using 10-5-A or 10-5-E.
As an aside, anyone that attended the Falcon's Fire school saw the most remarkable transformation that I've ever seen when someone changed to 10-5-E.
8cork was remarkable in almost no time when he tried the procedure. He went from shanking every ball to pure 3-D Impact. I know his life changed that day, and I think he still shoots in the 70's. I have no idea what his scores were with the shanks.
Why is the shaft on a steeper plane?
Doesn´t the shaft point at the closed planeline?
When you teach people AoA, do you than put them closed-closed.
Where does the clubface point in a closed-closed scenario, let´s say with a seven iron ?
Do you use AoA?
Why is the shaft on a steeper plane?
Doesn´t the shaft point at the closed planeline?
When you teach people AoA, do you than put them closed-closed.
Where does the clubface point in a closed-closed scenario, let´s say with a seven iron ?
Do you use AoA?
Thank´s!
I can use either 10-5-A or 10-5-E.
"You're not concerned with the clubshaft. The clubshaft seems to be immaterial. It represents a clubhead plane rather than a clubshaft plane."
So, you have to disregard the shaft and think outside the box. Think of the clubhead moving on a steep Plane, with the clubshaft somewhat internal to the circular orbit of the clubhead.
If you can imagine a circle lying on a flat surface, a Plane. If two marks were made on the Plane (Impact and Low Point), the circle could touch those points if laid flat on the Plane. Or, the circle could pass through the surface of the original Plane, touching only those two points. This would represent a steeper circle that satisfies Impact and Low Point, or a new steeper Plane.
The Sweet Spot is the thing that needs to travel on Plane.
If you can find this information ANYWHERE else, you've had better luck than me. Because, I've looked. And, don't try to hurry the process. Some of these things just have to incubate.
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Last edited by YodasLuke : 12-02-2007 at 07:53 PM.
Thank you so much for posting. I would have responded sooner but my cable modem has been toast. It only takes close to a week to get a cable tech to come out to the house. Gotta love the rural life. Nothing happens quickly.
Anyway, those quotes from Homer confim my findings. In fiddling with the procedure I found exactly what he's saying to be true. I too was concerned because I found the travel of the club with the clubhead covering a straight line to be steep as can be. "Actually, it's a vertical plane for the clubhead" (slight pause) "slightly inclined." Feels odd at first. I kept working it though because I was trusting 2-J-3-B. I knew a circle on a inclined plane can appear to be a straight line from viewing circles at different angles. If you look directly down on a plate or hula-hoop, etc. you see a straight line. That object can be slightly tilted and still visually appear straight. By using Angle of Approach I find a Hitter is guaranteed inside-out impact. I like the straight line feel of the clubhead because it feels right with the straight line thrust of the right arm.
These ring particuarly true for me:
"You're not concerned with the clubshaft."
"The clubshaft seems to be immaterial."
"It represents a clubhead plane rather than a clubshaft plane."
"Line momentum of the clubhead."
I'm still not sure why 10-5-0 reads the way it does about synchronizing by laying the shaft on the line. Especially when he says this in a Master's class, "It's not a true on plane motion." I'm still thinking on that one.
So, from the posts and my own findings it seems the thing to do is: setup with proper alignments at Impact Fix, locate the straight line Angle of Approach through impact and low points, let the Clubhead cover the delivery line and let 'er rip.
I like it.
Last edited by gmoney_69 : 12-05-2007 at 05:28 PM.
Please explain,I,m confused,I have been pointing my shaft at target line,mind you,the hit is still good,perhaps a little low,but they fly straight as arrows.(the good ones).I realise you are saying,"ignore shaft",but ,what and how do we ensure c/head is on plane,if in fact the clubshaft is more vertical,would this make one feel "lag" more so?.This is a great thread guys ,me,I still looking for answers.Dont think I,ll ever go back to swingers pattern again,love the feel of the "HIT"
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I like the straight line feel of the clubhead because it feels right with the straight line thrust of the right arm. 
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