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Old 01-23-2008, 09:25 PM
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Wristcock and Power
2-P (page 41)
“The Wriscock shortens the Swing Radius to facilitate and synchronize the Rhythm and Acceleration of the Pivot and Power Package.”

I have not found anywhere in the 6th Edition, where HK says that Greater Wristcock will produce more power and the ball will go farther. Has anyone else?
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Old 01-23-2008, 09:40 PM
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I dunno bout that, but I do know that it is easier to move a 3ft lever than a 5 ft lever...until it is time to become a 5ft lever again!
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
2-P (page 41)
“The Wriscock shortens the Swing Radius to facilitate and synchronize the Rhythm and Acceleration of the Pivot and Power Package.”

I have not found anywhere in the 6th Edition, where HK says that Greater Wristcock will produce more power and the ball will go farther. Has anyone else?

It says it in your quote (not power but angular acceleration and velocity) . . . the shorter the radius the more angular acceleration which COULD be transferred to more tangential velocity . . . easier to take a 3 foot board around a corner than a 12 foot board . . . BUT the 12 foot board has more inertia.

In our other fight in the sequenced release section . .. watch Zach Johnson vs. Sergio . . . to generate an equal amount of clubhead speed Zach has to have faster hands to get that longer lever around the corner.

Read up on the endless belt in 2-K and 6-E-2 (I think. . . where ever the stuff about aiming point is) in the 7th edition. Homer has some really great additions fleshing out the endless belt. Endless Belt is HUGE. Sergio is endless belt small pulley on 'roidz.
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Old 01-23-2008, 10:27 PM
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It says it in your quote (not power but angular acceleration and velocity) . . . the shorter the radius the more angular acceleration which COULD be transferred to more tangential velocity . . . easier to take a 3 foot board around a corner than a 12 foot board . . . BUT the 12 foot board has more inertia.

In our other fight in the sequenced release section . .. watch Zach Johnson vs. Sergio . . . to generate an equal amount of clubhead speed Zach has to have faster hands to get that longer lever around the corner.

Read up on the endless belt in 2-K and 6-E-2 (I think. . . where ever the stuff about aiming point is) in the 7th edition. Homer has some really great additions fleshing out the endless belt. Endless Belt is HUGE. Sergio is endless belt small pulley on 'roidz.
Yes. Thank you, it's clear to me and I understand that now. Sergio has greater Clubhead Speed But Zach has greater Inertia. If the Right Wrist stays level, then as CF Uncocks the Left Wrist, It Unbends the Right Arm. Then Transfer Power Accumulator #3 is transferring the Inertia from the Right Arm to the Primary Lever. Inertia gets Transfered. Am I on the Right Track?

I bought the Seventh Edition in the first Shipment but I stopped referencing it within a couple of days. I know that it's from Homer's notes but I think that some of the new information may not be from Homer or in Homers own words and I wouldn't know the difference. It's taken me twenty-five years to get this far and I don't think I have another twenty-five. But I'll take a look.
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Bucket: the endless belt is huge but I can't grasp it
would you be so kind to advise?
I'd love to hatch that egg
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Bucket: the endless belt is huge but I can't grasp it
would you be so kind to advise?
I'd love to hatch that egg
I'd suggest leaving the book . . .do a search on pulley wheel diameters in google. Take a look and report back . . . start there. There's some pretty good stuff on endless belt on this site. I posted some pulley wheel stuff last year . . . I'm too lazy to find it right now.

But do that google search and holla back . . . it's pretty enlightening.
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I will leave chapter and verse to those better able, but I can tell you that you are about to have a lot of chirping going on! This is HUGE! Unless you have the hand speed of say...a teenaged Bucket...your hands better not move in a circle delivery path. Circle delivery path requires faster hand speed. The primary and secondary levers will find what they like most...an in line relationship. How do you prevent a premature alignment? 10-23-A is Homer's solution, a straight line delivery path. A smaller pulley wheel = surprising speed e.g. Sergio G. One of the benefits is that you do not have to increase your belt speed (hand speed) to utilize the endless belt effect. The club whips around the corner as it were at the same RPM as the belt, but with increased MPH. Yoda references the disappearing ducks we see at State fairs. Something for nothing as it were. Funny that attempting to speed your hands can throw everything off. It has to do with concentric circles. There are some good graphics on this site illustrating the endless belt effect. Look em' up. Don't let this one go...stick with it!

I rank my realizations in this order. Top 5 anyway!

1. Flying Wedges
2. Hinge Action
3. Tracing a straight plane line
4. Straight line delivery
5. The alignments of the 10-2-B grip

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Wood and Coal,

I will leave chapter and verse to those better able, but I can tell you that you are about to have a lot of chirping going on! This is HUGE! Unless you have the hand speed of say...a teenaged Bucket...your hands better not move in a circle delivery path. Circle delivery path requires faster hand speed. The primary and secondary levers will find what they like most...an in line relationship. How do you prevent a premature alignment? 10-23-A is Homer's solution, a straight line delivery path. A smaller pulley wheel = surprising speed e.g. Sergio G. One of the benefits is that you do not have to increase your belt speed (hand speed) to utilize the endless belt effect. The club whips around the corner as it were at the same RPM as the belt, but with increased MPH. Yoda references the disappearing ducks we see at State fairs. Something for nothing as it were. Funny that attempting to speed your hands can throw everything off. It has to do with concentric circles. There are some good graphics on this site illustrating the endless belt effect. Look em' up. Don't let this one go...stick with it!

I rank my realizations in this order. Top 5 anyway!

1. Flying Wedges
2. Hinge Action
3. Tracing a straight plane line
4. Straight line delivery
5. The alignments of the 10-2-B grip

good luck
Very nice . . . subtle . . . Handspeed of a teenaged Bucket . . . . and then "premature alignment" . . .you're coming right around . . . I've picked up significant handspeed since marrying what'shername by the way.

Another point . . . with a small pulley like Sergio . . . you can have a slower handspeed . . . not only that YOU DON'T WANT (by definition) FAST HAND SPEED because what? . . . OVER-ACCELERATION is . . . come on everybody . . . say it with me . . .
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Yes. Thank you, it's clear to me and I understand that now. Sergio has greater Clubhead Speed But Zach has greater Inertia. If the Right Wrist stays level, then as CF Uncocks the Left Wrist, It Unbends the Right Arm. Then Transfer Power Accumulator #3 is transferring the Inertia from the Right Arm to the Primary Lever. Inertia gets Transfered. Am I on the Right Track?

I bought the Seventh Edition in the first Shipment but I stopped referencing it within a couple of days. I know that it's from Homer's notes but I think that some of the new information may not be from Homer or in Homers own words and I wouldn't know the difference. It's taken me twenty-five years to get this far and I don't think I have another twenty-five. But I'll take a look.
It's basically the generation of angular acceleration and momentum via the short radius . . . so think of the weight on a string type deal. You can whip it around really fast in a little tight circle . . .but then when you let the string out it's still in rhythm but the weight is going faster because it's farther from the center of rotation.

The key is short radius to build up speed . . . then to extend the radius to take advantage of the speed. That's why homer said that #2 is SIMPLY LEVER EXTENSION. You don't really have to work to uncock it fast (you can though if you want) but because of the way it works according to law . . . when the radius extends the surface speed increases.

So Zach and Sergio are interesting studies . . . you guys say that Sergio is a flipper . . . maybe . . . BUT Zach is DANGEROUSLY close to full lever extension BEFORE getting to the ball. Go watch that video . . . I would argue that you want that clubhead HIGHER for a number of reasons. But Zach's swing is good for hitting drivers I'd think. And probably good with fairway woods and from the fairway. Maybe not so good from cuppy lies and rough. And that swing probably requires a great amount of effort/hand speed to generate an equal amout of clubhead speed.

I'm certainly not suggesting that everybody should try to have the amount of accumulator lag that Sergio has . . . but I'd lean towards a higher clubhead because you don't have to have super fast hands to generate speed . . . law works the speed for you. Plus the added benefit of a sharper angle of attack on the irons.

But who am I to say . . . I couldn't beat a one legged hair lipped stripper layin' 2 a side.
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It's basically the generation of angular acceleration and momentum via the short radius . . .

The key is short radius to build up speed . . . then to extend the radius to take advantage of the speed. That's why homer said that #2 is SIMPLY LEVER EXTENSION. You don't really have to work to uncock it fast (you can though if you want) but because of the way it works according to law . . . when the radius extends the surface speed increases.
Perfect. I'd like to argue, but even your grammar is good for a Southerner.
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