First, Thank you.
Second, let me apologize for being blunt (I only sound like a pompous ass, I not, I'm really friendly, and I sound like I know more than I do. My wife told me it's a "defense mechanism").
Referring to the Sequence Pictures of Sergio Swinging an Iron.
The impact pic (ok barely post impact) still shows flat left wrist and shaft flex - so, not trying to be nitpicky, but I see no throwaway, or controlled throwaway (nice term - might apply to Goosen!). The pic just before appears to me to show the face a tad open to the plane line, or square.
Please allow me to adjust your perspective with the following Quote:
"If thrust is applied only to the Left Arm (Handle), the Clubshaft (Swingle) will perform more like a Rope Handle (rising Clubhead pull), but if prestressed by Clubhead Lag Pressure Point pressure, more like an Axe Handle (steady Clubhead Inertia). However, the Primary Lever Assembly is only somewhat flail like. That is, it is bolted together as with a hinge pin, rather than tied together with a thong, so that it can only be “Cocked” and/or “Rotated” per 4-B and 4-C and cannot pass the “Handle” (4-A-2) while moving toward full extension per 2-P. This insures the Imperative Flat Left Wrist (1-L, 2-0). Study 2-F, 6-F-0 and 10-19. As with the standard flail, the true and proper direction for its mass to move is “downward On Plane” regardless of the incidental appearance of moving “forward On Plane.” Always from the Top. This is indispensable for both Hitters and Swingers for inhibiting Clubhead Throwaway. Study 2-K and Chapter 2-P."
In other words (Daryleze), If the Clubhead passes the hands before Full Extension, then the Clubhead and hands were traveling at different RPM’s. That’s a no-no. That’s Clubhead Throwaway. If your Clubhead is traveling at more RPM than your Hands and your Clubhead is in the process of passing your hands but you struck the ball before the Clubhead has passed your hands, then it’s controlled Clubhead Throwaway. That’s great Hand-eye coordination, and, if you're on the Pro Tour, then you still get all of the Money and free drinks if you post the lowest score that weekend. No strokes are deducted for Controlled Clubhead Throwaway. It’s in the PGA Rules.
The pic just before appears to me to show the face a tad open to the plane line, or square.
Good eyes. Sergio looks like the Classic Swinger in this photo. It’s a nice Picture for new Golf Apparel.
But to me, if he were (or is) using simultaneous release - I don't think he would have amount of wristcock he does in this - and it appears he has to swivel into impact from that pic. Dont know. Insane conversation. The pic before impact, his lleft wrist is almost facing the sky - and he is deep with his elbow.
That’s an interesting inference. Must I name his motion a Sequenced Release if his Pivot is doing all of the Rolling?
We have Horizontal, Angled and Vertical Hinge references. However, we also have every imaginable angle in-between (I just wanted to mention that). At the moment this picture was taken, IF Sergio was Hinging I would say in classic TGM lingo, that Sergio is “Between Hinges” at the moment.
Just because the Clubshaft and Left Arm form a Straight Line for a nano-Second, doesn’t mean that he created a Primary Lever to Hinge through Impact. I do agree that his Clubface is closing through Impact. His Clubface does a great impression of a long Horizontal Hinge (Somewhere between Dead Horizontal and Dead Angled). But can we name it “Horizontal Hinge” or “Angled Hinge” by strict definition, if he has no Hinge?
The question "What is TGM?" is often asked. In the first edition, page 19, 2-G - HINGE MOTIONS, Homer stated: "A truly centered horizontal motion of the Clubface is needed to achieve geometrical precision of Impact". No one in the Golf World can deny this statement but there are many ways to accomplish this goal.
TGM is one Mans search for understanding and teaching to achieve this end. Homer Kelley, and now we, believe and understand that the best way to achieve this end is through the "Hinged Action of an Angular Motion on an Inclined Plane". He wrote a book explaining this so that we mortals can apply these principles and knowledge to our own Swings and once we select component variations we have what's known as our "Pattern".
You must follow the Laws of Physics and Geometry. You don't have to follow TGM. If you don't, you can, and must, forge your swing by beating it out of the ground, as most professional golfers have.
Some professional golfers use Hinging and some don't. For those that Hinge, we have the Homer Kelley "tool box" for analyzing their swings. For those that don't Hinge, we are on our own. HK did not give us the tools to analyze those swings. However, those tools are Catalogued and Referenced in every Golf Magazine, TV Program and Book. To find them, look under the category, "Golf Tips".
Some professional golfers use Hinging and some don't. For those that Hinge, we have the Homer Kelley "tool box" for analyzing their swings.
For those that don't Hinge, we are on our own. HK did not give us the tools to analyze those swings.
D . . . Everything complies with Law . . . just depends on which Laws are present and in what combination . . .
Homer said EVERYTHING is workable basically . . . even Pivot Controlled Hands and intentional Clubhead Throwaway.
Now we have been discussing Sergio and I'll submit to you Fred Couples as well . . . The Flat Left Wrist is somewhat misleading . . . it is a GEOMETRIC alignment and NOT ALWAYS an anatomical (sp?) alignment. So could it be due to the nature of their grip and their dependence upon CF that Couples and Garcia's Flail operate in that SEEMS AS IF it's throwaway?
The Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Law of the Flail. It is the relationship of the Clubshaft and the Left Arm that Homer was describing . . .the Left Wrist can thus be anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . .OR it can be Anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . . but inorder to satisfy the conditions of the Flail it is ALWAYS ALWAYS Geometrically Flat.
Notice the pictures in 2-K . . . there is a true Flail and a Golfers Flail . . . The true Flail CAN BE VALID in golf. I submit that Couples and Garcia seemingly THROW the club . . .BUT the appearce of their wrist conditions can be deceptive . . . You have to have the proper perspective to see it . . .it is the Left Arm and Shaft that must comply.
I used to have a really good picture of Couples getting the club back up plane his left wrist was benter than bent . . . BUT the club was right up the line of his left forearm.
The grip is essentially just how you attach yourself to the golf club. In order for the club to work the hands have to do certain things based on complying with the Law of the Flail . . . the may not always LOOK right if you focus on the hands and not the club and the arm.
In Orlando I was hitting these low lefties . . . very solid but a bit low. . . Lynn comes over and goes . . .Your Flail has to work like this . . . Left wrist cocks and BENDS to get the club out of it's follow through alignments. The ball instantly went up . . . compression increased . . . and ball go straight.
Don't always judge the book by its cover or the golfer by their wrist alignments.
“You have no need for your weapons with me, Gurney Halleck.”
I’m not in disagreement with you. We drive on the right side of the road to travel from point A to Point B. The English, drive on the left. Would you give them an “F”? If you were sitting next to them in the passenger seat, would you tell them to move over to the right lane?
If we are in America and I was telling someone how to make a left turn, I would say to, first drive through the intersection and then turn the steering wheel counterclockwise. If you do that in England, You’ll crash into an oncoming car.
In my (our) Book, we would first teach him to Hinge the Primary Lever. I would ask him to practice Basic Motion Strokes and attend to the Curriculum as outlined in the “Book” of Revelations: “The Golfing Machine”. But first, I would ask him to hit 100 balls his way, because it is sooo much fun to watch. It’s Fluid, Graceful and Powerful.
Bucket Said: Homer said EVERYTHING is workable basically . . . even Pivot Controlled Hands and intentional Clubhead Throwaway.
Daryl Says: Ya, but he didn’t really mean it, unless you’re willing to give up your childhood to make it workable. It’s in the Cliff Notes.
Bucket Said: The Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Law of the Flail. It is the relationship of the Clubshaft and the Left Arm that Homer was describing . . .the Left Wrist can thus be anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . .OR it can be Anatomically Flat and Geometrically Flat . . . but in order to satisfy the conditions of the Flail it is ALWAYS ALWAYS Geometrically Flat.
Daryl Says: The Arm and Club are only Flail like. It is Geometrically Flat if the Clubhead and Hands have the same RPM.
Bucket Said: Notice the pictures in 2-K . . . there is a true Flail and a Golfers Flail . . . The true Flail CAN BE VALID in golf. I submit that Couples and Garcia seemingly THROW the club . . .BUT the appearce of their wrist conditions can be deceptive . . . You have to have the proper perspective to see it . . .it is the Left Arm and Shaft that must comply.
Daryl Says: Not. It is the Hands and Clubhead that need to comply by having the same RPM before the Club and Arms reach full extension.
Bucket Said: The grip is essentially just how you attach yourself to the golf club. In order for the club to work the hands have to do certain things based on complying with the Law of the Flail . . . the may not always LOOK right if you focus on the hands and not the club and the arm.
Daryl Says: Is English your first Language?
Bucket Said: In Orlando I was hitting these low lefties . . . very solid but a bit low. . . Lynn comes over and goes . . .Your Flail has to work like this . . . Left wrist cocks and BENDS to get the club out of it's follow through alignments. The ball instantly went up . . . compression increased . . . and ball go straight.
Daryl Says: Did the Ball go up because of your follow-through or because of something you did to produce that follow-through? Did Yoda reach for a Martini afterwards to calm his nerves?
Bucket Said: Don't always judge the book by its cover or the golfer by their wrist alignments.
Daryl Says: I don’t. I judge them by their choice of "Kool-aid" Flavor.
In my (our) Book, we would first teach him to Hinge the Primary Lever. I would ask him to practice Basic Motion Strokes and attend to the Curriculum as outlined in the “Book” of Revelations: “The Golfing Machine”. But first, I would ask him to hit 100 balls his way, because it is sooo much fun to watch. It’s Fluid, Graceful and Powerful.
D . . . Fred Couples won't answer the phone because "someone may be on the other end." If you tell Freddy curriculum and Hinge the Primary Lever that dude glazes over like a box of Krispy Kreme Doughnuts.
You like watching Freddy swing because his ALIGNMENTS ARE GOOD . . . your eyes recognize it . . . but your brain cells ain't there yet.
Daryl Says: Ya, but he didn’t really mean it, unless you’re willing to give up your childhood to make it workable. It’s in the Cliff Notes.
Did your rip Chapter 10 out of your book?
Daryl Says: The Arm and Club are only Flail like. It is Geometrically Flat if the Clubhead and Hands have the same RPM.
Almost right . . . it's the LEFT ARM not the hands . . .Define the Primary Lever . . . it is the WHOLE LEFT ARM AND THE CLUB.
Daryl Says: Not. It is the Hands and Clubhead that need to comply by having the same RPM before the Club and Arms reach full extension.
Again . . . Define Primary Lever . . . the Hands are what connect the shaft and arm . . . can operate like hinge that don't allow Horizontal Motions . . .OR it can operate like a STRAP HINGE THONG TYPE THINGIE (don't go there . . . that's my job) . . . which is what you see in Sergio, Freddy, Bobby Jones and many others . . .the Law of the Flail is beautifully complied with just not the way you are used to seeing it . . . Freddy's Flail works different than Hogan's. But it still complies.
Look at the pictures . . . but this time don't cover up your eyes with your hands.
Daryl Says: Did the Ball go up because of your follow-through or because of something you did to produce that follow-through? Did Yoda reach for a Martini afterwards to calm his nerves?
Ask Lynn about perverted Swivel . . . and not the one that Mike O does out behind the dumpster peepin' in on the water aerobics classes down at the old folks home.
Now answer these questions without using any language from the book . . . just look at sequence of Couples and of Lee Buck.
1. Where would you say the clubhead passes Freddy's hands?
2. Why does the club pass Freddy's hands?
3. Describe the differences in where Freddy's face points at the top and where Lee Buck's face points at the top.
4. Describe the similarities and/or differences in the clubshafts in the impact frames
5. When does the club pass Lee's hands? When does the club pass Fred's hands?
6. Describe the similarities and/or differences in how their bodies are positioned at finish.
No book words . . . just regular people words.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 02-03-2008 at 12:46 AM.
Both hit fades with a supposed HOOKERS GRIP . .. One goes to the Moon the other burns worms . .
Tell me why based on what you see here . . .
The Guy on the Top, has extra layback because his right elbow is hanging back. Too bad he doesn't swivel but uses his Pivot to Roll the Lever. Look at Frame #8. This guy is great. TVA Grip. Could Have been a perfect Horizontal Hinge.
The Guy on the Bottom is TTU. Strong Double Action Underhand Grip. He has the same right elbow alignment problem as the Top Guy. It's laying back the Clubface through impact. He's comming in over the Top. Look how High His Right Forearm is. If his clubhead arrives a split second early, he'll high-hook the hell out of it.
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