Were you this difficult growing up? Let me talk to your wife.
How about "any grip type" and "Right hand TO PLANE" as long as the Right Wrist remains level and Bent"
You think I'm a "grown up"????? I'll take that as a compliment!!! Sweet!!!
What does Right Hand to Plane mean?
A dude like Freddie who Re-Cocks and BENDS out of follow through . . . FLATTENS his Right Wrist . . . BUT the club stays on Plane and In-Line with his Left Arm . . .
Now I could see people having beef with Vijay being on the edge of meeting the Imperatives . . . But not Boom Boom.
Lee Buck probably kept his Right Wrist Bent as well as any 10-2-D gripper . . .but he hit it low.
I'm looking at a sequence of Duval . . . his wrist stays bent pretty good but he Up-Plane quicker than Lee Buck. Plus he hits it higher because he has more Tilt.
I think Duval is the best 10-2-D grip model . . . he was as good as anybody when he was winning.
The Clubhead and Right Hand and Right Forearm "SHOULD" always move at the same RPM from Address to Finish Swivel.
This is an extremely good image, even if it isn't the exact thing that does or should happen. At least in the last part of the downswing (final 1/3) until the follow through.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
Now that the discusion on this issue seems completed, do you agree with the statement:
The Clubhead and Right Hand and Right Forearm "SHOULD" always move at the same RPM from Address to Finish Swivel.
Daryl,
Ignore this post of mine if it is going to get your thread off track (I know with Bucket involved you are already off track but I'm ingoring that "issue").
No joke- I've been crazy busy so normally I would find it in the 7th edition but can you quote Homer in the 7th edition regarding "Same RPM's or anyone. Then I wouldn't mind chiming on in your thread.
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Daryl,
Ignore this post of mine if it is going to get your thread off track (I know with Bucket involved you are already off track but I'm ingoring that "issue").
No joke- I've been crazy busy so normally I would find it in the 7th edition but can you quote Homer in the 7th edition regarding "Same RPM's or anyone. Then I wouldn't mind chiming on in your thread.
What in the world are you talking about? Is this a statement? A question?
Can you please take your finger out of your nose and type with BOTH index fingers.
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/ANow the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.
I'm a little concerned about that. 10-2-D doesn't Roll through impact. It seems to me, that the Clubhead/Clubface is uncocking going through Impact. If that's true, then they aren't traveling at the same RPM. The same RPM occurs with Roll when the Swingle doesn't pass the handle.
You left this part out of the quote . . .
This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.
10-2-D is just one big Karate Chop . . . throw the FACE at the ball . . . Rolling is for biscuits.
Here's what we been feudin' over in the Swinger's Sections (OK who's going to be the first nerd to leap on that!) . . .
I keep telling you this stuff is in the book . . . I don't make it up . . .
10-2-G TRIPLE OF QUADRUPLE When the above Grip Types are MODIFIED by Rotating the Hands so that either or both Wirsts cannot Cock On Plane without also Bending, Feel loses its geometric basis. Also the natural Wrist motions conflict. A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position. These procedures may be either “Weak” or “Strong” but either or both Wrist are Double Cocked per 10-18-B.
I’m cataloging unresolved issues throughout the book. Thank you for your input, however the "Geometric Flat Left Wrist" has been documented prior to this discussion.
This discussion is concerned with the issues pertinent to whether or not the "Angular Speed (RPM) of the Clubhead is identical to that of the Hands" due to the Mandatory Flat Left Wrist or rather the Bent Right Wrist.
Nice writing. As soon as I uncover your point, I'll understand how it fits into this discussion.
Ooooookeeeedoooookeeee . . ..
The Flat Left Wrist has the status of IMPERATIVE . . .
BUT and this is a big ole but (oh yeah) . . . the Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Flail . . . and so it has to do with geometry and the relation is the left arm and the clubshaft(head) . . . so depending on how you attach your paws to the club . . . you may be Geometrically Flat but not anatomically Flat (Fred Couples . . . Sergio Garcia) satisfying the Imperative beautifully.
The Bent and Level Right Wrist IS NOT an Imperative right?
Why would you say that it doesn't achieve that status?
The Flat Left Wrist has the status of IMPERATIVE . . .
BUT and this is a big ole but (oh yeah) . . . the Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the Flail . . . and so it has to do with geometry and the relation is the left arm and the clubshaft(head) . . . so depending on how you attach your paws to the club . . . you may be Geometrically Flat but not anatomically Flat (Fred Couples . . . Sergio Garcia) satisfying the Imperative beautifully.
The Bent and Level Right Wrist IS NOT an Imperative right?
Why would you say that it doesn't achieve that status?
Holla back!
You keep saying that the Flat left Wrist is rooted in the “Flail”. That is incorrect. The Flat Left Wrist is rooted in the “Lever”. A lever exists whether the Left Wrist is Visually Flat or by definition, Geometrically Flat.
The Flat Left Wrist has IMPERATIVE Status only at Impact regardless of Grip To Plane, because "If and Only If" the Flat Left Wrist Exists can a Lever Exist.
The Bent Right Wrist would be a Corollary Imperative if the Flat Left Wrist is an Imperative. The Bent Right Wrist may be the Imperative. "?"
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