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Old 02-11-2008, 08:00 PM
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Good response Mr. Daryl!!

Mr. Bennett practices, and occasionally gives some lessons near where I live. He is a very impressive ball striker himself. Some of thier info is from TGM and some for MORAD... and some from their research. Tom Scherrer was the most impressive of the students I saw him working with, and they have many.

There are obviously two choices here... Left or Right Leg... there must be a Pivotal Axis for the mechanics to work.

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Pivotal Axis, There must be, I agree. Choices? Possibly. However; we can assess the value of a particular Procedure based on Mechanical Advantage.

Who will speak for the Left Leggers?
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Old 02-11-2008, 10:26 PM
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Pivotal Axis, There must be, I agree. Choices? Possibly. However; we can assess the value of a particular Procedure based on Mechanical Advantage.

Who will speak for the Left Leggers?
I'll take Left . . . . (Mikey PM'd me and has dibs on MIDDLE).
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Pivotal Axis, There must be, I agree. Choices? Possibly. However; we can assess the value of a particular Procedure based on Mechanical Advantage.

Who will speak for the Left Leggers?

What legs? There are only Feet, Knees, Hips, and a head.


BTW Daryl- Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett have been posted about in this forum. Have spoken with Yoda and even lurk among us.

Johnny Miller, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Jack Nicklaus and Vj Singh stay centered with more weight on their left leg.
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Old 03-20-2008, 03:07 PM
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What legs? There are only Feet, Knees, Hips, and a head.


BTW Daryl- Andy Plummer and Mike Bennett have been posted about in this forum. Have spoken with Yoda and even lurk among us.

Johnny Miller, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Jack Nicklaus and Vj Singh stay centered with more weight on their left leg.
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Homer never talks about legs- Knees and Hips on top of feet with a staionary head at the top. Spine angle. Legs are not a component.

Bennett and Plummer are okay guys.
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Homer never talks about legs- Knees and Hips on top of feet with a staionary head at the top. Spine angle. Legs are not a component.

Bennett and Plummer are okay guys.
Are you sure? I could swear that Homer talks about Legs hundreds and hundreds of times. Doesn't he say:

1. Drive the Legs.
2. Start your Downswing by swinging your left leg toward the target.
3. Drive with your right leg.
4. Shift your weight to your left leg on the backswing and onto the right leg of the downswing.
5. Don't move your legs in a non-pivot swing.
6. Move your legs in a pivot swing.
7. Don't take a cart, use your legs and walk.
8. Passive legs.
9. Active legs.


These are such familiar phrases. If Homer didn't say them, then who did? The legs are body components. Why aren't they swinging components?

I don't know Bennett and Plummer. Who are they?

This thread started going downhill after the first post. I was hoping it would get lost.
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Are you sure? I could swear that Homer talks about Legs hundreds and hundreds of times. Doesn't he say:

1. Drive the Legs.
2. Start your Downswing by swinging your left leg toward the target.
3. Drive with your right leg.
4. Shift your weight to your left leg on the backswing and onto the right leg of the downswing.
5. Don't move your legs in a non-pivot swing.
6. Move your legs in a pivot swing.
7. Don't take a cart, use your legs and walk.
8. Passive legs.
9. Active legs.


These are such familiar phrases. If Homer didn't say them, then who did? The legs are body components. Why aren't they swinging components?

I don't know Bennett and Plummer. Who are they?

This thread started going downhill after the first post. I was hoping it would get lost.
Perhaps instructors do but no mention of legs in the index or section eight or in any of the zones. Lots of talk about knees and hips- which are legs just more precise. Hips move the pivot, Knees are anchors and platforms to keep the head staionary. I don't think Homer address the issue carts in the yellow book. How can you start the downswing by swinging your left leg toward the target- kinda Monty pythonish. Your hips can use the feet and knees- but you can't 'swing the leg.' Homer uses his labguage with precision- a machine.

Bennett and Plummer coach Dean Wilson, Will MacKenzie, Mike Weir, Aaron Baddeley among others. I know you are familiar with them. Andy and Mike are nice guys- got Homer from O'Grady. O'grady got TGM from Mr. Kelley. They just build different machines, respectfully.

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Old 03-20-2008, 07:36 PM
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Perhaps instructors do but no mention of legs in the index or section eight or in any of the zones. Lots of talk about knees and hips- which are legs just more precise. Hips move the pivot, Knees are anchors and platforms to keep the head staionary. I don't think Homer address the issue carts in the yellow book. How can you start the downswing by swinging your left leg toward the target- kinda Monty pythonish. Your hips can use the feet and knees- but you can't 'swing the leg.' Homer uses his labguage with precision- a machine.

Bennett and Plummer coach Dean Wilson, Will MacKenzie, Mike Weir, Aaron Baddeley among others. I know you are familiar with them. Andy and Mike are nice guys- got Homer from O'Grady. O'grady got TGM from Mr. Kelley. They just build different machines, respectfully.
I forget who said this. It was in a post I read awhile back. But I agree with this guy.

Homer Kelley said that if the Hips move the club on the back swing- it is a Pivot control Hands procedure. I think everyone can see that.

IMHO, Hula Hula allows for the hips to move first- gear train from the bottom up- and create a space for the Hands to attack the ball to Impact. The Delivery Paths are clear for the Hands to accomplish its task.

If you do not use Hula Hula, the INDEPENDENT movement of the hips from the shoulders (not merely a hip slide) and wait to use the left hip to rotate with the right arm through Impact – you are closer to Pivot control Hands then you think.


Oh, I found out the guy who said that. It was 6bMike.

In the Yellow Book, the word "Leg" is never used. The word "Legs" is used only twice as a Heading for 7-16 and 7-17.

I'm not against Bennet and Plummer. I look at it this way: it's the Elephant story. You know, the one in which creatures are blindfolded and asked to touch a part of the elephant and then describe the elephant. If you want to see the whole picture, you have to read the Yellow Book. Otherwise, the elephant is long and round like a tube and has rough skin.
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