Hey Comrade . . . here's some "substantive criticism" of the book . . .
It's absolutely impossible to understand . . . heck even read . . . without a guiding hand.
You find me ONE person who has ever been able to get the book without the help of an AI or Homer Kelley directly.
That book should sold as a PDF file that is capable of being searched. And should come with multimedia to demonstrate the concepts. Mr. Kelley did the best with the technology he had . . . a freakin' typewriter (not even a word processor).
But we have the techology now to basically make the book accessable to the "masses." Will it ever happen???
12 piece,
the world is a complex place and the game of golf is even more complicated. do not blame homer kelley for that ! he did not make it that way .
but his 42 year effort was made so you could fully understand the game. let me regurgitate a little of the book for you ," 1-b."
there may be someone out there who has grasped the book in its entirety without the help of an ai or homer kelley, but i doubt it. it is too abstract , dense , and there are too many propositions to keep track of. 42 years worth !! more regurgitation , ' the "whole picture" is your total visualization of all the individual visualizations of specific areas. both the total and individual pictures must , in their beginnings , be vague and disjointed . but...'
which is why i think your idea of the book as a pdf and having multimedia demonstrations is great . a few years after i started reading the book i thought of the multimedia demonstrations . it would have made it much easier for me and it would make it much easier for the masses .
will it happen ? perhaps someday , but all great revolutions take a collective effort and the work that all of you are doing on lynnblakegolf is great ! but if this is not enough , we may someday need , in order to drag the golfing masses into their necessary future , reeducation camps !!
12 piece,
the world is a complex place and the game of golf is even more complicated. do not blame homer kelley for that ! he did not make it that way .
but his 42 year effort was made so you could fully understand the game. let me regurgitate a little of the book for you ," 1-b."
there may be someone out there who has grasped the book in its entirety without the help of an ai or homer kelley, but i doubt it. it is too abstract , dense , and there are too many propositions to keep track of. 42 years worth !! more regurgitation , ' the "whole picture" is your total visualization of all the individual visualizations of specific areas. both the total and individual pictures must , in their beginnings , be vague and disjointed . but...'
which is i think your idea of the book as a pdf and having multimedia demonstrations is great . a few years after i started reading the book i thought of the multimedia demonstrations . it would have made it much easier for me and it would make it much easier for the masses .
will it happen ? perhaps someday , but all great revolutions take a collective effort and the work that all of you are doing on lynnblakegolf is great ! but if this is not enough , we may someday need , in order to drag the golfing masses into their necessary future , reeducation camps !!
So let me ask you this . . . . first of all keeping in mind that I would say that Homer Kelley was definitely the greatest "golf mind" of all time and one of the the better minds of our time . . .
Do you think the Golfing Machine is a great BOOK or a great CATALOG or just great INFORMATION?
Homer Kelley took upon himself a very ambitious task in writing the book and trying avoid any reduncancy . . . . do you think he succeeded in his task? Would the book have been better as a true CATALOG with supporting volumes to gird his foundation? I'm mean the dude has 80 plus hours of recorded classes of him talking nonstop. Not many people can talk 80 hours about anything . . . and that was just the RECORDED classes.
I think the Machine moving forward would be MUCH BETTER SERVED by truly bringing organization to his works. Rather than trying to add to them. We could organize his words rather than PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
If anyone reading this is considering revising the book, I would give thought to separating the hitting and swinging stroke completely. As far as Homer being able to speak that long, it probably seemed to him that he was just scratching the surface.
I tend to agree with you (further evidence of my descent into the abyss!) But you know as well as I do...heck you know even better than me that the process of "decoding, deciphering, hand wringing, hair pulling, wailing and gnashing (pronounced with an unsilent g) of ivories is one of Homer Kelley's enduring contributions. You are top 1% in terms of knowledge... few have turned over more yella rocks than you have. HK has reordered a neural pathway...or two...don't ya think? In addition to more information than any one person can use in a golfing lifetime, there are some very pertinent philosophical applications to be enjoyed from the book. Mr. Kelley may not have been an engineer in the educational sense...a classic case of not being educated into embicility. I love to be around thinkers...even if it is interacting with the written words they left us. It is a thinking person's book, and may never enjoy the public acclaim it richly deserves, although I think certain stroke patterns will see the light of day. The hardest work is REAL thought. You gotta wrastle with it. Personally, Bucket, I am glad you started wrastling with it before I did. Of course, we are all thankful for Yoda taxing his neural pathways. I hope not too many cells fell by the wayside
Tom Tomasello called the book "a masterpiece", but even he admitted that without the help of an A.I. that it would most likely not make much sense.
The book sales are probably better than they used to be... but if the book was made more readable, it would probably sell quite well... maybe even be a BEST SELLING golf instruction book.
The influence of TGM is starting to become more obvious to the public. Lynn now has a tour winner, and others that are doing very well. It is also becoming known that the Stack and Tilt teachers believe in the value of TGM. Other teachers are now giving TGM some credit as a valuable tool. At the last P.G.A. Teaching and Coaching Summit I attended, several of the presenters mentioned TGM and Ben Doyle in a positive manner. Of course Mr. O'Grady also got much of his information from TGM.
Tom Tomasello called the book "a masterpiece", but even he admitted that without the help of an A.I. that it would most likely not make much sense.
The book sales are probably better than they used to be... but if the book was made more readable, it would probably sell quite well... maybe even be a BEST SELLING golf instruction book.
The influence of TGM is starting to become more obvious to the public. Lynn now has a tour winner, and others that are doing very well. It is also becoming known that the Stack and Tilt teachers believe in the value of TGM. Other teachers are now giving TGM some credit as a valuable tool. At the last P.G.A. Teaching and Coaching Summit I attended, several of the presenters mentioned TGM and Ben Doyle in a positive manner. Of course Mr. O'Grady also got much of his information from TGM.
I wonder if any of you think as I do regarding AI's straying from the path. I've found that any lack of perfectly clear understanding of TGM concepts causes one to search elsewhere for rationalization and solutions.
I couldn't pick O'Grady from a police line-up, but I would assume 'misunderstanding' of anyone finding so much wrong with the Yellow Book. So many think they understand the constructs. Just like Bucket, who thinks he understands the concept of the “Endless Belt”, yet totally abuses and exploits its application. Who would think? Even more alarming is that the current owners of the 7th edition may possibly misunderstand it too.
1. the process of "decoding, deciphering, hand wringing, hair pulling, wailing and gnashing (pronounced with an unsilent g) of ivories is one of Homer Kelley's enduring contributions.
2. I love to be around thinkers...
3. You gotta wrastle with it. Personally, Bucket, I am glad you started wrastling with it before I did. Of course, we are all thankful for Yoda taxing his neural pathways. I hope not too many cells fell by the wayside
4. Props for Hjacknicklaus...a true gentleman!
1. Better organization thru multimedia technology could make this book COME ALIVE . . . for everybody . .. it TRULY be a book for the "duffer" . . . if properly organized and the concepts were demonstrated in bite sized portions. When you can see it . . . it really ain't that big of a deal.
2. Your slumming around this website is counter to this statement . . .did you mean "stinkers?"
3. The greatest priniciple of economics is . . . . the COLLECTIVE KNOWLEDGE of the market is GREATER than any one man's knowledge could ever be . .. same with the Yellow book . . . we all stand atop the shoulders of those that have gone before us . . . just pray that Mike O isn't the one climbing up your back . . . bring your cork.
So let me ask you this . . . . first of all keeping in mind that I would say that Homer Kelley was definitely the greatest "golf mind" of all time and one of the the better minds of our time . . .
i agree
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Do you think the Golfing Machine is a great BOOK or a great CATALOG or just great INFORMATION?
yes, all three. a great intellectual achievement !!
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Homer Kelley took upon himself a very ambitious task in writing the book and trying avoid any reduncancy . . . . do you think he succeeded in his task? Would the book have been better as a true CATALOG with supporting volumes to gird his foundation? I'm mean the dude has 80 plus hours of recorded classes of him talking nonstop. Not many people can talk 80 hours about anything . . . and that was just the RECORDED classes.
yes he achieved his goal of brevity. but i wouldn't try and rewrite it. and i don't think that you can read the book enough.
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
I think the Machine moving forward would be MUCH BETTER SERVED by truly bringing organization to his works. Rather than trying to add to them. We could organize his words rather than PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
i think lynnblakegolf is bringing organization to his work. i love your idea of multimedia but it could cause deep divisions over the presentation of the material and/or the interpretation of it.
I hope not too many cells fell by the wayside
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