Mine would be the FLAT left wrist and the Inline conditions. Geometrically FLAT left wrist .. Very heavily misunderstood topic.
And Hitting/swinging. Guess what, i still don't really understand it .
The flat left wrist from a geometric stand point is an alignment with the LEFT ARM. The left wrist is basically the "fulcrum". So from a geometric stand point you want the shaft to be IN LINE with your left arm. So stick a bicycle spoke or cut off coat hanger or something in the butt . . . . of your club . Put your hand on the club with different grip strengths. Notice how the more turned your left hand is the more you have to BEND AND COCK to keep the shaft in line with your left arm. So basically it is the shaft and the left arm being in line that defines the geometrically flat left wrist.
So with a 10-2-B grip you could have a "visually" flat left wrist AND a GEOMETRICALLY flat left wrist. As you turn your hand on the club your wrist must cock and bend to keep the shaft in line with the arm. So you are geometrically flat but NOT VISUALLY FLAT.
So the BASIS OF THE FLAT LEFT WRIST IS IN THE LAW OF THE FLAIL . . . so folks got different flails than others . . .
2-K . . . Compare the Primary Lever Assembly (6-A-2) with the common flail. While the “swingle” is seeking its “in-line” (full extension ) relation with the “handle” (catching up) there is “Centrifugal Acceleration.” When it becomes “in-line” (caught up) this settles into “Centrifugal (Angular) Momentum” (Full Extension). If it passes its “in-line” relation, it again seeks its “in-line” relation (backs up) and “Centrifugal Deceleration” sets in with a huge power loss. These three phases demonstrate what is termed herein “The Law of the Flail” – the Swingers primary concern.
If thrust is applied only to the Left Arm (Handle), the Clubshaft (Swingle) will perform more like a Rope Handle (rising Clubhead pull), but if prestressed by Clubhead Lag Pressure Point pressure, more like an Axe Handle (steady Clubhead Inertia). However, the Primary Lever Assembly is only somewhat flail like. That is, it is bolted together as with a hinge pin, rather than tied together with a thong, so that it can only be “Cocked” and/or “Rotated” per 4-B and 4-C and cannot pass the “Handle” (4-A-2) while moving toward full extension per 2-P. This insures the Imperative Flat Left Wrist (1-L, 2-0). Study 2-F, 6-F-0 and 10-19. As with the standard flail, the true and proper direction for its mass to move is “downward On Plane” regardless of the incidental appearance of moving “forward On Plane.” Always from the Top. This is indispensable for both Hitters and Swingers for inhibiting Clubhead Throwaway
So look at Couples Turned Left Hand right . . . his Flail is more THONGY . . .. watch him get his thong on . . . but he still satisfies the Law of the Flail even though his wrist bends to keep the shaft in line. True thongy swinging . . .
Geometrically Flat but NOT VISUALLY FLAT
See the wrist is bending and cocking but the shaft still maintains the relationship to the left arm
VISAULLY FLAT AND GEOMETRICALLY FLAT . . .
Ok . . . Hitting and Swinging . . . Homer said is just . . . . PUSHING vs. PULLING. That's it. Notice the quote from 2-K that is in red above . . .
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 04-30-2008 at 09:51 AM.
Not to get off topic ...but do I also see a difference in the right wrist at the top...does Freddy have some right wrist cocking and less bend...whereas Tiger has lots of right wrist bending & no cocking. Are the two related to the left wrist position on the grip.
Not to get off topic ...but do I also see a difference in the right wrist at the top...does Freddy have some right wrist cocking and less bend...whereas Tiger has lots of right wrist bending & no cocking. Are the two related to the left wrist position on the grip.
Not sure that it's cocking . .. maybe it is but his right forearm is definitely ROLLED at the top which shoots the club across the line.
For me, extensor action is difficult to take from words on a page to implementation. If I try to foucs on it by applying pressure througout the motion it adds too much tension to my hands, wrists, and motion.
I try to keep width and structure in my swing but I have to do it without tension. In other words, if my right hand were to come off the the club at the top, my right arm wouldn't immediately straighten out because I'm not apply that kind of pressure.
Similarly, I find it difficult to treat my left arm as a rope. If I try to apply that literally, it feels like I'm swinging with one arm.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
For me, extensor action is difficult to take from words on a page to implementation. If I try to foucs on it by applying pressure througout the motion it adds too much tension to my hands, wrists, and motion.
I try to keep width and structure in my swing but I have to do it without tension. In other words, if my right hand were to come off the the club at the top, my right arm wouldn't immediately straighten out because I'm not apply that kind of pressure.
Similarly, I find it difficult to treat my left arm as a rope. If I try to apply that literally, it feels like I'm swinging with one arm.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
May not be right on target here . . . but I'd say Extensor Action is definitely a more ridgid and "active" feeling with Hitting than with Swinging. I'm probably not the guy on this one . . . I Swing and don't really think about it all that much.
Somebody else???
As far as Swinging and the left arm being a rope . .. not a bad idea to actually take some left arm only swings so you can get the feel of loading #4. How your shoulders load #4 has a big impact on where your hands go . . . I have a problem with blasting my arm out to the right too much rather than having #4 release more DOWN my chest. Hard to recover from a bad Start Down.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
You and Bucket need to Man-Up. Read how many times Homer puts Extensor Action into the 12 sections of 12-3-0. Also in 6-B-1-D, the right tricep is never passive. That assumes of course that you have a right tricep to begin with.
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For me, extensor action is difficult to take from words on a page to implementation. If I try to foucs on it by applying pressure througout the motion it adds too much tension to my hands, wrists, and motion.
I try to keep width and structure in my swing but I have to do it without tension. In other words, if my right hand were to come off the the club at the top, my right arm wouldn't immediately straighten out because I'm not apply that kind of pressure.
Similarly, I find it difficult to treat my left arm as a rope. If I try to apply that literally, it feels like I'm swinging with one arm.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
Hey Trig.
If I may take a humble stab at Extensor action:
I had a similar experience with extensor action but now cant think of swinging without it. When I first employed it I felt sort of stiff and bound up.
What I now believe happened to me is this: I had, for years been very left side dominant in my swing. I used to create width with a rigid left arm, I used my left arm to push the club away etc. My left side was stiff and my right soft. This stiffness in my left side I had gotten very used to. It was my usual way. When I added extensor action both sides felt awkwardly stiff, locked up.
I was averse to relaxing my left side because it was necessary for all of my old left sided motions or actions. But TGM I would say is very right sided.
In fact I would say that learning to relax my left arm and employ extensor action was for me, an open door into the real world of TGM. All of sudden things I knew only theoretically were possible in my swing. The non cocking, level right wrist and the cocking of the left wrist via right elbow bending for instance. None of which the old me could accomplish.
Similarly my new swing couldnt be accomplished without a rope for a left arm or extensor action. Now my swing is very right sided. It feels sort of like a right arm flying wedge that stretches a relaxed left arm. The right side is under the left. The right hip goes back. The right arm takes the club away. The right elbow bends, cocking the left wrist. I bump and drive the right shoulder down plane. Etc etc. A lot of right sided stuff. I feel a clear distinction between the role of the left wrist to define the hinge action and relaxed left arm.
Anyways. I'd keep working on it. Hopefully it will be as rewarding for you as it was for me.
OB - good comments. I probably haven't given it enough of a chance. It's a tough one for me.
I agree I have rarely been able to get the correct feeling of extensor action, nor have i been able to really get teh frozen right wrist, love theidea of softening up the left side, most traditonal golf learning i.e taking swings with jsut the lead arm and hitting shots have lead to a very firm left side making EA feel stiff
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"Now my swing is very right sided. It feels sort of like a right arm flying wedge that stretches a relaxed left arm. The right side is under the left. The right hip goes back. The right arm takes the club away. The right elbow bends, cocking the left wrist. I bump and drive the right shoulder down plane."
Great visualizations of sensations. Very helpful! I too have been [or been trying to be] left-side-dominant for years, decades even. And as you report, as soon as I went to a flat left wrist, right elbow bend, and extension of both arms in the downswing, I felt awkward as heck (particularly going back; less so in the latter stages of the downswing) and could barely imagine--as stiff and "contrived" as all this felt--that I'd be able to hit the ball solidly, much less really forcefully and online. But that's exactly what has happened. With my old, left-focused swing, I felt like I was swinging 100+ mph and the ball flew like 80 mph, not to mention wildly inconsistent. Now I feel like I'm swinging 80 mph and the ball flies like I'm swinging 100+ mph, with heretofore undreamed-of accuracy and consistency. Oh, yeah, I still mishit and misjudge, but that's golf.
Truly appreciate the explanations, theories, observations provided here, as when we're self-medicating on the course or on the range, we need visualizations and vicarious observations to help make meaning of what we think and feel (and think we feel, for that matter). Kudos! -- JC
. Put your hand on the club with different grip strengths. Notice how the more turned your left hand is the more you have to BEND AND COCK to keep the shaft in line with your left arm. So basically it is the shaft and the left arm being in line that defines the geometrically flat left wrist.
Read how many times Homer puts Extensor Action into the 12 sections of 12-3-0. Also in 6-B-1-D, the right tricep is never passive. That assumes of course that you have a right tricep to begin with.
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