So bagger- is the RAS (not TT's stroke) just a baseball kinda of throw of the clubhead on plane to the ball? 'ouch'
6B - You are correct that based on all known evidence, TT never called his method a Right Arm Swing and as far as LBG is concerned, he promoted a left shoulder center swing stroke and a very good one at that. DG has coined TT's teaching a RAS stroke and therein lies a lot of confusion on this Forum. I would prefer he call it a "Magic of the Right Forearm" stroke or something along those lines. This is why I need to separate the learning from TT's teaching. There are common elements but as best we can tell, Tom didn't teach a textbook RAS procedure with a right elbow center stroke.
I may need to lock the thread after this post!
I'm interested in getting to the bottom of the RAS stroke because it is unknowingly used by many; for better or worse.
It is very similar to an "on plane" baseball pitch but doesn't necessarily require a deep pitch elbow, or pitch elbow for that matter. It's a CF swing and there is still a hinge running through the center of the head through the middle of the feet.
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6B - You are correct that based on all known evidence, TT never called his method a Right Arm Swing and as far as LBG is concerned, he promoted a left shoulder center swing stroke. DG has coined TT's teaching a RAS stroke and therein lies a lot of confusion on this forum. I would prefer he call it The Magic of the Right Forearm stroke or something along those lines. This is why I need to separate the learning from TT's teaching. There are common elements but as best we can tell, Tom didn't teach a textbook RAS procedure with a right elbow center stroke. (I may need to lock the thread after this post!)
I'm interested in getting to the bottom of the RAS stroke because it is unknowingly used by many; for better or worse.
It is very similar to an "on plane" baseball pitch but doesn't necessarily require a deep pitch elbow, or pitch elbow for that matter. It's a CF swing and there is still a hinge running through the center of the head through the middle of the feet.
You guys are a hoot!!! Yeah, yeah......it's all my fault!!! Remember, your conclusions will just come back to Tommy. Some day you'll thank me for my input...
You guys might start throwing up when I begin to start threads with 4 Barrel swinging (we may even hear from Coophitter)....just an extension of the Magic of the Right Forearm!!!! Yeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwww thanks Howard!!! Crack that WHIP!!! See section 9-2.
Play ball...
DG
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You guys are a hoot!!! Yeah, yeah......it's all my fault!!! Remember, your conclusions will just come back to Tommy. Some day you'll thank me for my input...
DG
DG - In all seriousness, I'll thank you for your input now.
Your contributions of the Tomasello material has been great and is helping many people play better golf.
Lets just try to keep our terminology straight so we can avoid conflicts and better understand all of the options.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
I didn't know I was right arm swinging until Ted Fort told me I was and moved me to more of a hitters action. My only thought process was to pull the club with the right elbow, absolutlely no thought of the hands doing anything. I was actually trying to get into a pitch elbow condition that Ben Doyle taught me. I would just pivot and try to drag my elbow in a pitch position.
I could hammer the ball this way and generated a ton of lag, but had a tendency to hook with the longer clubs. I also had a tendency to get off plane and swing to the right.
DG's and TT's version of right arm swing has you actually trying to throw the club from the top, but with a proper pivot the club will square up perfectly. Much more "magic of the right forearm" in their motion.
I'll be at the LPGA Championship managing the driving range from 6am till noon tomorrow and Sunday all day. If you're going to attend the championship stop on by the range and look me up.
Bagger,
Some food for thought to continue the evaluation of the right arm swing.
My experience with the right arm and swinging....
The 4 Barrel Swing with the lower body leading....good and bad results. Distance excellent....control questionable. I used what I believe was an non-automatic release by driving out at the ball at the release point.....the classic switters motion.
The 3 barrel swing with the right arm starting the downswing with the same kind of release motion on the downswing. More consistency, no hooks, slices with the driver.
The 3 barrel swing with the right arm starting the downswing.....just pushing the right arm and allowing it to release automatically....initial results good...in time lost the sweet feeling of lag. This lead me to believe you got to release....you just can't push it down ya got to throw it down per one of the release motions!!!
3 Barrel swing with right arm throwing it for the top a la Tom Tomasello and the Magic of the Right Forearm....consistent shots (powerful shots), consistent shots with the driver...straight as an arrow....amazingly straight.
Now, I'm in the process of incorporating the both forearms approach. By the end of the summer I should be able to comment on that.
My guess is Tom Tomasello didn't call the right forearm procedure that he taught the right arm swing because I believe he didn't agree with that last paragraph in the book and the twinge in the right elbow.....I believe Tommy thought it was BS. I agree.
DG "Dave Nelson"
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I'll be the LPGA Championship managing the driving range from 6am till noon tomorrow and Sunday all day. If you're going to attend the championship stop on by the range and look me up.
Bagger,
Some food for thought to continue the evaluation of the right arm swing.
Very good food for thought and I hope you get a chance to hook up with some folks here.
I think it's great when people volunteer their time and assist in Tournaments.
Thanks DG
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