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Old 08-19-2008, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by purehitter View Post
Tiger even had some problems with this do to some swing changes and switching to a longer graphite shafted driver but it does not take him long to get back on track.

Learning to swing the sweet spot of the club head on plane and in balance from start to finish can be easy to learn and was Ben Hogan‘s secret he talked about.

I wonder what Hogan must have thought about all the analysis of his swing.
I too wonder what Mr Hogan would think of all this talk of knowing what his 'secret' was. Especially when the enlightened person stands to make a dollar (books, DVDs, training aids) out of this secret they have mysteriously stumbled upon. If a theory has merit then it should stand up to logic and criticism on its own rather than by reference to a great man who should be given more respect.

I think it is one thing to be able to replicate Mr Hogan's swing and produce a similar appearance, it is another entirely to produce the same results. It is impossible to know what Mr Hogan was doing internally. What was he thinking while swinging? What pressure did he have where and what was active and at what stage? What was he trying to do with the golf club?

In one sense it is great if the idea has merit because it contributes to the knowledge bank on the golf swing and all benefit. However, we all know how much stuff is out there and if you're like me then you tend to take more notice when something involves the great Ben Hogan. I gets kinda expensive. I buy these things in the hope that these people have actual insights into Mr Hogan from what he said to them. They rarely do. When the thesis being put forward comes only from watching him swing on their TV sets it is of little value because all of us have probably come up with aspects of Mr Hogan's swing that we think were crucial and perhaps a 'secret'. All we're really doing is finding out something new about an efficient golf swing that is probably present in many other swings of good ballstrikers.

It is in this respect that Homer Kelley's work is so strong. He did not rely on another person's reputation or skill to advance his own ideas and in the process make money. They stood on their own and gain more and more support every day.
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Old 08-19-2008, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mrose View Post
I too wonder what Mr Hogan would think of all this talk of knowing what his 'secret' was. Especially when the enlightened person stands to make a dollar (books, DVDs, training aids) out of this secret they have mysteriously stumbled upon. If a theory has merit then it should stand up to logic and criticism on its own rather than by reference to a great man who should be given more respect.

I think it is one thing to be able to replicate Mr Hogan's swing and produce a similar appearance, it is another entirely to produce the same results. It is impossible to know what Mr Hogan was doing internally. What was he thinking while swinging? What pressure did he have where and what was active and at what stage? What was he trying to do with the golf club?

In one sense it is great if the idea has merit because it contributes to the knowledge bank on the golf swing and all benefit. However, we all know how much stuff is out there and if you're like me then you tend to take more notice when something involves the great Ben Hogan. I gets kinda expensive. I buy these things in the hope that these people have actual insights into Mr Hogan from what he said to them. They rarely do. When the thesis being put forward comes only from watching him swing on their TV sets it is of little value because all of us have probably come up with aspects of Mr Hogan's swing that we think were crucial and perhaps a 'secret'. All we're really doing is finding out something new about an efficient golf swing that is probably present in many other swings of good ballstrikers.

It is in this respect that Homer Kelley's work is so strong. He did not rely on another person's reputation or skill to advance his own ideas and in the process make money. They stood on their own and gain more and more support every day.
Excellent post!
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock View Post
Excellent post!

Come on Matt! Who's going to buy that? Admit that you are MROSE!
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Old 08-20-2008, 05:57 PM
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Come on Matt! Who's going to buy that? Admit that you are MROSE!
I never said anything to contradict that fact!
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).

The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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Old 08-20-2008, 07:13 PM
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We are all built so differently, not only physically but neurologically. If you try swinging like Hogan and are built like Davis Love, it won't work. All of the necessary information is in the yellow book. It is finding the right pattern that is tough. For that, an instructor that knows, ie, the ones that typically are on this site, must be consulted. I recently took two lessons from a top 100 guy who will remain nameless, as he is a good guy and has a great rep. The first lesson focused on a hitting motion of the right arm during the swing, axe technique, the second he weakened my grip and worked on a startup swivel. These are two different feels, let alone patterns. He does not teach the golfing machine and uses these in his bag of tricks, but it left me with an unclomfortablefeeling, to say the least. Teaching aids like Jeff's are important because without access to an ai, for some of us it is the best way to feel the changes we need to make.
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