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Old 11-05-2008, 02:56 PM
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Could you please expound on how you would accomplish that goal?

I thought that if one had an optimized pivot action with optimized release of PA#4 that it would thereby optimize release of PA#2 via a centrifugal action, and that it wouldn't allow for any additional club release power via PA#1 because the club had already been released at an optimal speed.

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Old 11-05-2008, 03:57 PM
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Could you please expound on how you would accomplish that goal?

I thought that if one had an optimized pivot action with optimized release of PA#4 that it would thereby optimize release of PA#2 via a centrifugal action, and that it wouldn't allow for any additional club release power via PA#1 because the club had already been released at an optimal speed.

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Re-read last two lines of 2-M-3. Only with a driver, only with a driver, only with a driver when there is a need for maximum power and you can stand the risk. The Swinger’s can further accelerated the LEFT ARM and loaded Left Wrist with a strong PP#1 (#1 is part of the Arms not the Hands) to support the Pull of Centrifugal Force. If the Swinger tries to accelerate the clubshaft at PP#3 (which is Hitting), he runs into the risk of overriding centrifugal force, which is a power loss and usually results in a Bent Left Wrist at Impact.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:43 PM
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A further question.

If the right arm applies active power to PP#1 to supply more power to the left arm in a driver swing, when should that occur? If it occurs near-impact, will the right arm-induced acceleration of the left arm prevent the left arm from slowing pre-impact - some people believe that left arm slowing is a necessity in the late downswing to allow the club release phenomenon to happen as a kinetic link COAM phenomenon.

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Old 11-05-2008, 08:19 PM
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Hi Jeff

I think I managed to achieve this one year ago while experimenting Hitting.

I'm not an expert as Drewitgolf, Okie or nuke99 but I'll try to do my best to relate this experience using TGM terminology.

When I disovered this site a few years ago, I was amazed to discovered that Swinging was not the only way to hit the ball and decided to give a try to Hitting.

Hitting basic motion first, then acquired to understand the mechanics and the physics.
I was hitting "by the book" and everything was good.

Then I went to Total Motion by adding "2-M-4 Body Power"...
But at that time I didn't knew the differences between 2-M-4 for Hitting and Swinging and started to use Pivot Thrust as a Swinger: blasting the primary lever assembly from my chest using CF.

I was in fact using PA#4 as a swinger and PA#1,#2+#3 (simultaneous) as a Hitter! Some kind of Switting

The results: Amazing! Power (a ton of lag!) with never seen before accuracy at such distances.

What I did:
- use PA#4 as a swinger: the whole primary assembly accross the chest then rotary body power to blast it of the chest,
- at some point in the downswing, you'll feel the release of PA#4 through the pression descreasing on PP#4,
- as soon as you feel that (for me it's almost when my hand pass in front of my right leg), you activate your right arm to drive the primary lever assembly toward aiming point.

Interestingly enough, I felt that the activation of the right arm occuring at the moment PA#4 start to release came along with the desire to maintain the heavy feel at PP3 constant during the downstroke.

Think about it like that:
- When you load the power package using PA#4, you feel a heavy clubhead (lets say you feel the Power Package weighting 1 ton )
- Then when PA#4 releases, "you loose weight". You will go to 1 ton to 0 ton at PA#4 full relase (wich is well after the ball).
- So, if you rely only on PA#4 to strike the ball, your Power Package will feel 500kg at impact
- But, the right arm driving will evenly replace this weight loss (for me it even feels heavier than initialy).

The result is that by focusing on maintaining a constant pression of the Power Package in your hands (always the same old story ) you will precisely know WHEN you'll need to activate the right arm thrust.

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Old 11-05-2008, 10:19 PM
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Excellent, nuke. I've bolded areas of emphasis:

We're talking about the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm / Clubshaft Angle) . . . and its Maximum versus Minimum Trigger Delay, right?

Master Yoda..

effect on acc 1 on 2 /3 and the inline condition. Sequential vs overlaping release in various degree ( how deep is the elbow).


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Old 11-05-2008, 10:27 PM
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Re-read last two lines of 2-M-3. Only with a driver, only with a driver, only with a driver when there is a need for maximum power and you can stand the risk. The Swinger’s can further accelerated the LEFT ARM and loaded Left Wrist with a strong PP#1 (#1 is part of the Arms not the Hands) to support the Pull of Centrifugal Force. If the Swinger tries to accelerate the clubshaft at PP#3 (which is Hitting), he runs into the risk of overriding centrifugal force, which is a power loss and usually results in a Bent Left Wrist at Impact.
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it always puzzle me, How important are Zone 1 in your opinion on this?
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:04 PM
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You wrote-: "What I did:
- use PA#4 as a swinger: the whole primary assembly accross the chest then rotary body power to blast it of the chest,
- at some point in the downswing, you'll feel the release of PA#4 through the pression descreasing on PP#4,
- as soon as you feel that (for me it's almost when my hand pass in front of my right leg), you activate your right arm to drive the primary lever assembly toward aiming point."

I used to swing the same way - first use the pivot thrust to activate release of PA #4 and then use active right arm thrust (active release of PA#1) at some point in the mid-downswing. However, I found that this "switting" approach was too dependent on timing, and at times the active right arm thrust interfered with the natural release of PA#2 which occurs passively via centrifugal action. When I discovered Yoda's archived posts I came to understand why it is a mistake to use a "switting" approach and that it is better to either be a hitter (1:2/3) or a swinger (4:2:3).

I can understand the use of enough right triceps action to maintain a "feel" of constant pressure at PP#3 during the downswing so that the right forearm keeps up with the clubshaft through the mid-late downswing - without actually releasing PP#1 via an active right elbow straightening thrust action.

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Old 11-05-2008, 11:12 PM
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awesome, when we measured tour players most guys swing and hit at the bottom.
This is measured science, not using video which won't indicate.
the illusion of golf are deeper ten we know.

people can argue if they like but this is what most tour players do when measured.

Nuke99, zone 1 is the fuel to a good golf swing only if motion performed right.
you have bad body motion no matter how educated your hands are, you can't hit the ball.

95% of golfers have wrong perceptions of the right body motions in a golf swing.
but then 95% of golf coaches don't know either.but as i've said before, they are mechanics not specialised in human body motion
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:17 PM
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Biomechanic - you wrote-: "when we measured tour players most guys swing and hit at the bottom. This is measured science, not using video which won't indicate."

How did you determine (in a measured scientific manner) that tour players (who swing) hit at the bottom? What is your definition of "bottom"? How did you scientifically determine they that were using active right triceps thrust action to release PA#1 at the "bottom"?

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Old 11-05-2008, 11:29 PM
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I totaly agree with you.

Switting produced the best Golf ever for me but it only lasted a week!

It was getting very demanding to repeat the proper timing day after day. I had to be intensely focused on timing.

Swinging is easier to repeat and a lot more "effortless power"...but still less accurate for me.

However I still dream of the unicorn!
Mainly because I still don't get the difference in 2-M-4 between "consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting a Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact" and "or as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitter's loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed".
What is the difference between "blasting the left arm into orbit" and "supplying the initial acceleration of Power Package"?
Seems pretty much the same to me?
Can't you supply the initial acceleration of the Power Package by blasting the left arm into orbit"???
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