Active pivot versus reactive pivot

[Jeff]

12PB

I agree with HK - that the primary benefit of hula hula flexibility is to allow the right shoulder to descend downplane, and controlling the right shoulder's path helps control the hand path so that they can stay on the face of the plane.

That wasn't a video - it was simply an animated gif image.


Jeff.

[12 piece bucket]

12PB

I agree with HK - that the primary benefit of hula hula flexibility is to allow the right shoulder to descend downplane, and controlling the right shoulder's path helps control the hand path so that they can stay on the face of the plane.

That wasn't a video - it was simply an animated gif image.


Jeff.

Witcha . . . but isn't your definition of hula hula different for Homer's or have a misread it? I was just trying to figure out what all that X-factor stuff does exactly?

Thanks boss.

B

[O.B.Left]

I think that the glossary's definition of Axis Tilt is relevant to HK's description of Hula Hula Flexibility.

Axis Tilt: "To change the plane of the Shoulder Turn without moving the Head, the golfer must tilt the shoulder axis by moving the Hips."
Note the WITHOUT MOVING THE HEAD! This is a straight on view not a birds eye X Factor deal.

An actual Hula dancer can move her hips laterally or rotationally with her head held still. Axis tilt in both directions.

Here are two relevant videos. The first from the original Charlie's Angels TV series. (Thats Burner in the back ground in the white safari suit dancing along.) And the second a belly dancer describing the "horizontal figure eight" albeit with a fare degree of double anchor. The figure eight being axis tilt with the right hip back, backing into transition, the move V.J. described.

Perhaps we have the making of a new "Macdonald" drill here, Lynn? Continuos figure eights with the knees pointing straight ahead , the shoulders square (but tilting) and the head held still?

O.B.

[Jeff]

OB Left

The dancer performing the horizontal eight dance certainly has hula hula flexibility.

What drill would you recommend for a golfer who has had spinal fusion surgery where all the lumbar vertebra were fused together preventing any rotary movement at the level of each lumbar vertebra? How can that golfer perform an active pivot golf swing that requires a moderate level of hula hula flexibility?

Jeff.

[Yoda]

The dancer performing the horizontal eight dance certainly has hula hula flexibility.

What drill would you recommend for a golfer who has had spinal fusion surgery where all the lumbar vertebra were fused together preventing any rotary movement at the level of each lumbar vertebra?

I would recommend a seat directly opposite the dancer, a stiff drink -- just say "no" to the little umbrellas -- and an active #1 Accumulator (bending and straightening right elbow).

[Jeff]

Yoda

Could you please expand on these statements-:

"The Body still 'sets' -- at the very least -- and the Arms and Hands
'Deliver'."

I don't know what you are implying.

Also, look at Shawn Clement swinging his arms back-and-forth in this sequence.

Do you think that the pivot is causing the arms to move, or does he simply swing his arms back-and-forth while his body reacts to the motion of the swinging club?

Thanks,

Jeff.

[Yoda]

Yoda

Could you please expand on these statements-:

"The Body still 'sets' -- at the very least -- and the Arms and Hands
'Deliver'."

I don't know what you are implying.

You've got to get off your right side.

[Yoda]

Yoda

Also, look at Shawn Clement swinging his arms back-and-forth in this sequence.

Do you think that the pivot is causing the arms to move, or does he simply swing his arms back-and-forth while his body reacts to the motion of the swinging club?

Regarding Swing #1: For all the talk about "gravity", Shawn's Pivot is clearly delivering his unexpended Power Package into Release. Both in his prep and in the actual Stroke itself. All this with his 'Right Heel Down' homage to Moe Norman. Hey, Shawn's a Canadian, and I appreciate it. Looks good!

Regarding Swing #2: The prep for this swing shows exactly what an 'Arms and Hands leading, Body lagging' Stroke looks like. Powerless Throwaway. Ugh!
it.
Regarding Swing #3: Beware blind golfers. Especially those who want to play for big money . . . on their own course . . . at midnight!

[12 piece bucket]

Jeff . . . . look at this motion . . . it's won major smackers and a couple of majors . . . doesn't get his arm way in or up on the backstroke . . . Can probably beat all but 1% or maybe even 1/10% of the members on this website.

notice where his hands are at his top . . . just in of his torso . . . but he really releases #4 and he doesn't do much rotating at all . . . just kinda dippy slides it thru there . . . keeps it pretty much on the elbow plane the whole swing. You can get to his top . . . just take your arms in as much as you can without the left arm breaking down . . . AND TURN YOUR HIPS. Short arm swing = gooooooood. All that elbow releasing stuff is tough to return to the same spot every time.

[O.B.Left]

OB Left

The dancer performing the horizontal eight dance certainly has hula hula flexibility.

What drill would you recommend for a golfer who has had spinal fusion surgery where all the lumbar vertebra were fused together preventing any rotary movement at the level of each lumbar vertebra? How can that golfer perform an active pivot golf swing that requires a moderate level of hula hula flexibility?

Jeff.

Jeff to answer your question in brief I would have to say.....MacDonald drills.

To answer it more fully I would say: Forget X factor, rotate your hips like Jones, Nicklaus or Snead (they did OK) and lift your left foot off the ground on the backswing. Understand that golf is a motion, a dance and that lag and pivot lag however small is what you are seeking.

I had the pleasure of spending the greater part of last week at Cuscowila with Lynn and my older brother, The Judge. (As some people from the Homecoming will know him). The Judge is mid sixties and twenty five years into a lower lumbar spinal fusion that was thought to last only ten years. Since the Homecoming and formal lessons from Luke and Lynn and informal lessons from Augusta Golf and Paul Hart the Judge has totally revolutionized his pivot. A thing he thought impossible given his flexibility.

My brother loves the MacDonald drills. For him it has been the answer to a
15 year fight with his pivot.

FYI Lynn is always saying that nobody is less flexible that himself. In your most recent photos you are actually taking farther back than Lynn are you not? Farther back than many accomplished golfers.

O.B.