You're welcome... I'll do a write up with the equations of motion (showing effect of spring stiffness as a variable on the collision response) eventually. I'm learning a new language (java) to make interactive web applets to simulate these effects as I type.
Could variations in the degree of downplane right shoulder thrust affect the amount of clubhead speed loss during impact due to ball collision, and the amount of energy imparted to the ball for a given clubhead speed and a given amount of forward shaft lean?
Consider a swinger's action. The release sequence is 4:2:3. The club reaches impact due to the passive release of PA#2 which is a CF-induced action. The right hand must keep up to maintain clubhead lag through impact. The right arm straightens passively in the downswing, but there must be enough right triceps muscle contraction to allow the right arm to straighten enough to allow the right hand to keep up with the left hand and maintain a bent right wrist/FLW through impact. However, straightening the right arm may not be enough if the right shoulder socket doesn't move forward enough downplane to support the right arm - so that one doesn't run-out-of-right arm. The more the right shoulder moves downplane, the more bent the right arm can be at impact. I am thinking of Hogan who had a very assertive pivot rotational action that allowed him to drive his hands inside very quickly post-impact, and that is presumably due to an actively driving right shoulder downplane. Could that driving right shoulder add thrust power (drive loading power) to the right hand at impact (passively via the bones of the right arm/forearm/hand) and thereby increase swing power at impact - even if one is a swinger?
Could variations in the degree of downplane right shoulder thrust affect the amount of clubhead speed loss during impact due to ball collision, and the amount of energy imparted to the ball for a given clubhead speed and a given amount of forward shaft lean?
Consider a swinger's action. The release sequence is 4:2:3. The club reaches impact due to the passive release of PA#2 which is a CF-induced action. The right hand must keep up to maintain clubhead lag through impact. The right arm straightens passively in the downswing, but there must be enough right triceps muscle contraction to allow the right arm to straighten enough to allow the right hand to keep up with the left hand and maintain a bent right wrist/FLW through impact. However, straightening the right arm may not be enough if the right shoulder socket doesn't move forward enough downplane to support the right arm - so that one doesn't run-out-of-right arm. The more the right shoulder moves downplane, the more bent the right arm can be at impact. I am thinking of Hogan who had a very assertive pivot rotational action that allowed him to drive his hands inside very quickly post-impact, and that is presumably due to an actively driving right shoulder downplane. Could that driving right shoulder add thrust power (drive loading power) to the right hand at impact (passively via the bones of the right arm/forearm/hand) and thereby increase swing power at impact - even if one is a swinger?
Jeff.
No... The collision takes place so fast, and the equipment is so flexible, there is nothing a golfer can do to change what is, what will be. On another forum I refer to this fact of life as:
Getting it done before hand .... because once ball and club head meet...
Jeff, I think that you got to let this one die... the science guys seem pretty strong on this one...and any way it does not matter. Lag and alignments are better places to spend your time IMO.
I never felt strongly about this issue. I always thought that ball flight distance was related to clubhead speed, and not to the pressure exerted on the shaft at impact in swingers where PA#2 is released passively. I am a little surprised that it also applies to hitters who drive load the clubshaft. Do you therefore believe that in a hitter's drive loading action, that the only factor is clubhead speed at impact and that push-pressure behind the clubshaft has no additive effect?
nmgolfer
I presume that the clubhead must have a finite amount of weight so that the clubface doesn't deform at impact. Presuming that the clubface is sufficiently rigid, you are presumably stating that additional clubhead weight and/or additional push-pressure thrust exerted by the golfer has no effect on ball flight distance (other than its effect on clubhead speed at impact). Is that correct?
What about the possibility of clubhead acceleration through impact due to drive loading in a hitter's action. In your mathematical model, you are presuming that clubhead speed remains constant for the entire duration of ball-clubface contact in both situations. However, wouldn't increased drive loading (thrust force = push-force) allow the clubhead to continue to accelerate while it remains in contact with the ball for a duration of 1/4000 second? A hitter is not simply applying increased mass behind his drive loading action - he is also thrusting and accelerating the club through the impact zone.
Jeff.
Last edited by Jeff : 12-10-2008 at 12:00 PM.
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I never felt strongly about this issue. I always thought that ball flight distance was related to clubhead speed, and not to the pressure exerted on the shaft at impact in swingers where PA#2 is released passively. I am a little surprised that it also applies to hitters who drive load the clubshaft. Do you therefore believe that in a hitter's drive loading action, that the only factor is clubhead speed at impact and that push-pressure behind the clubshaft has no additive effect?
nmgolfer
I presume that the clubhead must have a finite amount of weight so that the clubface doesn't deform at impact. Presuming that the clubface is sufficiently rigid, you are presumably stating that additional clubhead weight and/or additional push-pressure thrust exerted by the golfer has no effect on ball flight distance (other than its effect on clubhead speed at impact). Is that correct?
What about the possibility of clubhead acceleration through impact due to drive loading in a hitter's action. In your mathematical model, you are presuming that clubhead speed remains constant for the entire duration of ball-clubface contact in both situations. However, wouldn't increased drive loading (thrust force = push-force) allow the clubhead to continue to accelerate while it remains in contact with the ball for a duration of 1/4000 second? A hitter is not simply applying increased mass behind his drive loading action - he is also thrusting and accelerating the club through the impact zone.
Jeff.
Jeff, There is nothing the golfer can do during impact that can effect the outcome of the shot. More Here
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