Sorry Lynn but I can't answer you - I just started drinking myself. By the way, in post 32 you said that both eyes, the nose and my left wrist should be in-line and centered over my navel- please explain?
"The angle of the dangle" is irrespective of Center . . .
Et cetera . . .
Et cetera.
--Yul Brynner as The King of Siam The King and I
It goes nowhere from here, Mike. Let's just let it go!
ok..... I certainly can't attempt to respond to the original concepts put forth in this thread more appropriately than Lynn et al, so I'm going on a tangent here with my "opinions":
1) I for one "do not" appreciate Jeff's meandering posts and for the life of me I can't understand the objective of most of them. I get an immediate case of "tired-head" when I get past the 1st paragraph in most cases.
2) I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak.
3) I do not know what Jeff's "mission" is either (as OB Left asked), but I think I read something to the effect of it being a "precision" description of the golf swing for deep analytical scientific thinkers (I'm paraphrasing). Well..... I think I played behind your 4-some today and we waited on every shot.
4) It sickens me to see Jeff throw around TGM terms as if he's an AI. It's one thing to have learned forum members use HK's "language" to help others with their questions. It's another (in my opinion) to use them in print and on video as if one is an expert in their meaning.
This stuff has been simmering with me for a bit and when I saw the swing sequence of a HYPER-FLEXIBLE Gulbis who has a bad back as an example of "see..... HK is wrong again" I had to speak up. TGM is difficult enough to understand and Lynn has done a lot to make more comprehendable for the masses. When I read Jeff's posts it seems like the attempt is to perpetuate the TGM stigma.
This stuff has been simmering with me for a bit and when I saw the swing sequence of a HYPER-FLEXIBLE Gulbis who has a bad back as an example of "see..... HK is wrong again" I had to speak up. TGM is difficult enough to understand and Lynn has done a lot to make more comprehendable for the masses. When I read Jeff's posts it seems like the attempt is to perpetuate the TGM stigma.
Not to worry, Comet. There are at least two purposes being served here, and I am deeply appreciative of both. One of Homer Kelley's favorite quotes says it all:
Under 2-H, HK wrote-: "The straight line requirements of the Compression Point are satisfied as long as the Lever Assembly Center is moving in a circle during Impact and Both the Vertical and Horizontal Centers move precisely in unison.
What is the Vertical Center?
What is the Horizontal Center?
HK also wrote-:"The important thing is that true Swing Center for ALL COMPONENTS is around a hinge pin with one end at the top of the Stationary head and the other in the ground, precisely between the Feet, with no regards for Body Location or Position at any time.
So, in this photo of Tiger Woods, does the yellow line represent the hinge pin around which the true Swing Center exists/rotates?
You wrote-: "I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak."
My U-tube name = Imperfect Golfer. That means that my visual demonstrations are imperfect. However, that doesn't mean that my understanding, or written descriptions, are imperfect.
I wrote regarding this next video-: "Note that Scott has maintained a bent right wrist (which is called a frozen right wrist) throughout his entire swing - backswing, downswing, followthrough and finish - and that he doesn't change the degree of right wrist bend at any time point throughout the swing."
Jeff.
p.s. If you don't like a person, who is not an AI, writing review papers for his personal website, then don't read my forthcoming review papers.
You wrote-: "I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak."
My U-tube name = Imperfect Golfer. That means that my visual demonstrations are imperfect. However, that doesn't mean that my understanding, or written descriptions, are imperfect.
I wrote regarding this next video-: "Note that Scott has maintained a bent right wrist (which is called a frozen right wrist) throughout his entire swing - backswing, downswing, followthrough and finish - and that he doesn't change the degree of right wrist bend at any time point throughout the swing."
Jeff.
p.s. If you don't like a person, who is not an AI, writing review papers for his personal website, then don't read my forthcoming review papers.
Jeff,
I assure you I have seen all that I want to of your "website" and the papers included therein. Your sidekick may have come close, but I pity the poor guy that stumbles across some of your Utube stuff and tries to execute a golf-like motion. At least update YOUR hitting motion and get a flat left wrist in there. It's the LEAST you can do as a TGM "expert"! Or does HK have that wrong too?
Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories.
One last thing... you should put a disclaimer on your vids about your self-proclaimed inability to demonstrate about which you speak... be it accurate or not. Don't leave it up for someone to guess that "Imperfect Golfer" means "what you see is not what I mean" ..... I would expect more from someone who prides themself on the accuracy of their written word. It might give the viewer the proper perspective to use while viewing.
I for one am quite wary of those that can't demonstrate what they believe should be happening in a golf swing. You just added another reason to think that way.
This is my last post concerning my personal website, which is merely a pet hobby interest. If anybody wants to discuss it, they can send a PM. I am here to discuss HK's ideas and learn more about the TGM system.
I have made a disclaimer in my first swing video about my visual demonstrations not being accurate. Secondly, I am not an "TGM expert". My website represents my personal views, and it is is only TGM-influenced. It is not ever going to be a TGM website.
You wrote-: "I for one am quite wary of those that can't demonstrate what they believe should be happening in a golf swing." Many, many people have expressed similar sentiments. That's fine. They should all ignore my opinions re: golf instructional material.
You wrote-: "Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories."
That statement reflects your character, and therefore your opinion doesn't represent a constructive comment that will help me make my personal website more accurate.
Yoda - I drew the yellow line exactly as HK specified in that sentence - between the top of the stationary head and a point on the ground precisely between the feet.
By the way, is the true swing center for all components the same swing center as the pivot center?
This is my last post concerning my personal website, which is merely a pet hobby interest. If anybody wants to discuss it, they can send a PM. I am here to discuss HK's ideas and learn more about the TGM system.
You wrote-: "Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories."
That statement reflects your character, and therefore your opinion doesn't represent a constructive comment that will help me make my personal website more accurate.
Jeff.
Jeff,
You're the one who muddied the LBG site with Gulbis as your "new-and-improved" version of pivot center being the "set distance of the left shoulder socket from the ball at impact". I'm not sure why my request that you post that same swing sequence on your website as a reflection of your understanding of a proper golf swing is now an indicator of my "character"? Sounds like more imprecision on your part.
It would be a shame if your "pet hobby" messed up other people's hobby.
Hybrid Mode
