Pivot center
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12-14-2008, 10:31 PM
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CometGolfer
You wrote-: "I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak."
My U-tube name = Imperfect Golfer. That means that my visual demonstrations are imperfect. However, that doesn't mean that my understanding, or written descriptions, are imperfect.
I wrote regarding this next video-: "Note that Scott has maintained a bent right wrist (which is called a frozen right wrist) throughout his entire swing - backswing, downswing, followthrough and finish - and that he doesn't change the degree of right wrist bend at any time point throughout the swing."
Jeff.
p.s. If you don't like a person, who is not an AI, writing review papers for his personal website, then don't read my forthcoming review papers.
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12-14-2008, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff
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CometGolfer
You wrote-: "I made an attempt to read Jeff's "white paper", but when I pulled up the video segment on "hitting" and saw his demonstration replete with a flattening right wrist into impact then "all bets were off" so to speak."
My U-tube name = Imperfect Golfer. That means that my visual demonstrations are imperfect. However, that doesn't mean that my understanding, or written descriptions, are imperfect.
I wrote regarding this next video-: "Note that Scott has maintained a bent right wrist (which is called a frozen right wrist) throughout his entire swing - backswing, downswing, followthrough and finish - and that he doesn't change the degree of right wrist bend at any time point throughout the swing."
Jeff.
p.s. If you don't like a person, who is not an AI, writing review papers for his personal website, then don't read my forthcoming review papers.
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Jeff,
I assure you I have seen all that I want to of your "website" and the papers included therein. Your sidekick may have come close, but I pity the poor guy that stumbles across some of your Utube stuff and tries to execute a golf-like motion. At least update YOUR hitting motion and get a flat left wrist in there. It's the LEAST you can do as a TGM "expert"! Or does HK have that wrong too?
Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories.
CG
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12-14-2008, 11:30 PM
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Jeff,
One last thing... you should put a disclaimer on your vids about your self-proclaimed inability to demonstrate about which you speak... be it accurate or not. Don't leave it up for someone to guess that "Imperfect Golfer" means "what you see is not what I mean" ..... I would expect more from someone who prides themself on the accuracy of their written word. It might give the viewer the proper perspective to use while viewing.
I for one am quite wary of those that can't demonstrate what they believe should be happening in a golf swing. You just added another reason to think that way.
CG
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12-15-2008, 12:05 AM
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This is my last post concerning my personal website, which is merely a pet hobby interest. If anybody wants to discuss it, they can send a PM. I am here to discuss HK's ideas and learn more about the TGM system.
I have made a disclaimer in my first swing video about my visual demonstrations not being accurate. Secondly, I am not an "TGM expert". My website represents my personal views, and it is is only TGM-influenced. It is not ever going to be a TGM website.
You wrote-: "I for one am quite wary of those that can't demonstrate what they believe should be happening in a golf swing." Many, many people have expressed similar sentiments. That's fine. They should all ignore my opinions re: golf instructional material.
You wrote-: "Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories."
That statement reflects your character, and therefore your opinion doesn't represent a constructive comment that will help me make my personal website more accurate.
Jeff.
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12-15-2008, 12:17 AM
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Yoda - I drew the yellow line exactly as HK specified in that sentence - between the top of the stationary head and a point on the ground precisely between the feet.
By the way, is the true swing center for all components the same swing center as the pivot center?
Jeff.
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12-15-2008, 12:51 AM
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Yoda - I drew the yellow line exactly as HK specified in that sentence - between the top of the stationary head and a point on the ground precisely between the feet.
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As stated in several of my prior posts, the Pivot Hinge Pin is presumed vertical to the ground.
"G.O.L.F. is a game for thinkers, and as detailed as this book is, it is still geatly dependent on thinking players" (1-G).
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12-15-2008, 01:03 AM
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If the stationary head must be precisely centralized between the feet, and the hinge pin for the pivot center's rotation must be a vertical line drawn from the top of the stationary head to the ground, then the hinge pin line will simply be a vertical line drawn precisely between the feet with the pivot center located on that line at address.
That's why I think that most golfers (like Tiger Woods) do not have a pivot center in their swing.
Jeff.
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12-15-2008, 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff
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Cometgolfer
This is my last post concerning my personal website, which is merely a pet hobby interest. If anybody wants to discuss it, they can send a PM. I am here to discuss HK's ideas and learn more about the TGM system.
You wrote-: "Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories."
That statement reflects your character, and therefore your opinion doesn't represent a constructive comment that will help me make my personal website more accurate.
Jeff.
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Jeff,
You're the one who muddied the LBG site with Gulbis as your "new-and-improved" version of pivot center being the "set distance of the left shoulder socket from the ball at impact". I'm not sure why my request that you post that same swing sequence on your website as a reflection of your understanding of a proper golf swing is now an indicator of my "character"? Sounds like more imprecision on your part.
It would be a shame if your "pet hobby" messed up other people's hobby.
CG
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12-15-2008, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cometgolfer
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Jeff,
It would be a shame if your "pet hobby" messed up other people's hobby.
CG
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Hannah: "Maybe you're over pleasuring yourself or something?"
Woody Allen: "..now your going to start knocking my hobbies?"
Woody Allen, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
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12-15-2008, 09:38 AM
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At the risk of being far too basic for you guys...
The drill "Steady Head Drill" on the 2nd disk of Alignment Golf shows this perfectly. Lynn discusses keeping he head centered while creating tilt by moving the hips a little forward. This actually gives the illusion of the head being back, but Lynn shows us that the head is still centered between his feet.
Homer Kelley's text along with Yoda's demonstration is good enough for me, I want as few compensations in my motion as possible!
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