Pivot center

[Jeff]

Cometgolfer

This is my last post concerning my personal website, which is merely a pet hobby interest. If anybody wants to discuss it, they can send a PM. I am here to discuss HK's ideas and learn more about the TGM system.

I have made a disclaimer in my first swing video about my visual demonstrations not being accurate. Secondly, I am not an "TGM expert". My website represents my personal views, and it is is only TGM-influenced. It is not ever going to be a TGM website.

You wrote-: "I for one am quite wary of those that can't demonstrate what they believe should be happening in a golf swing." Many, many people have expressed similar sentiments. That's fine. They should all ignore my opinions re: golf instructional material.

You wrote-: "Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories."

That statement reflects your character, and therefore your opinion doesn't represent a constructive comment that will help me make my personal website more accurate.

Jeff.

[Jeff]

Yoda - I drew the yellow line exactly as HK specified in that sentence - between the top of the stationary head and a point on the ground precisely between the feet.

By the way, is the true swing center for all components the same swing center as the pivot center?

Jeff.

[Yoda]

Yoda - I drew the yellow line exactly as HK specified in that sentence - between the top of the stationary head and a point on the ground precisely between the feet.

As stated in several of my prior posts, the Pivot Hinge Pin is presumed vertical to the ground.

"G.O.L.F. is a game for thinkers, and as detailed as this book is, it is still geatly dependent on thinking players" (1-G).

-- Homer Kelley

[Jeff]

If the stationary head must be precisely centralized between the feet, and the hinge pin for the pivot center's rotation must be a vertical line drawn from the top of the stationary head to the ground, then the hinge pin line will simply be a vertical line drawn precisely between the feet with the pivot center located on that line at address.

That's why I think that most golfers (like Tiger Woods) do not have a pivot center in their swing.

Jeff.

[Yoda]

If the stationary head must be precisely centralized between the feet, and the hinge pin for the pivot center's rotation must be a vertical line drawn from the top of the stationary head to the ground, then the hinge pin line will simply be a vertical line drawn precisely between the feet with the pivot center located on that line at address.

That's why I think that most golfers (like Tiger Woods) do not have a pivot center in their swing.

Jeff.

Do you read at all? Or do you just write? Or do you just like to argue?

Have you even bothered to look at your own 'Big Three'?

Gary Player



Arnold Palmer



Jack Nicklaus




Assuming you may actually be interested in words other than your own, read my post #16 -- learn something -- and stop tilting at windmills.

Meanwhile . . .

Talk to The Hand.



P.S. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm all of sudden missin' DG!

[O.B.Left]

If the stationary head must be precisely centralized between the feet, and the hinge pin for the pivot center's rotation must be a vertical line drawn from the top of the stationary head to the ground, then the hinge pin line will simply be a vertical line drawn precisely between the feet with the pivot center located on that line at address.

That's why I think that most golfers (like Tiger Woods) do not have a pivot center in their swing.

Jeff.

Your looking at his driver swing, I believe. His iron swing is more balanced, centered if you will. No wobble at the top.

The premise of the book is that it is a machine, a golfing machine that we are trying to build. It doesnt take much to see the need for balance and a vertical c.o.g line about which to rotate. Like the spinning top.

Now if you did have a machine that wobbled about at its top, which of the following would you prescribe in an effort to increase its efficiency:

- More securely set its moorings to the floor in effort to stabilize it. Albeit with the knowledge that the wobble will still make for some inefficiencies, abnormal wear and tear, production delays etc etc.
-Leave it to wobble around on the floor. See the Creamer, Gulbis machines and how they wobble about at their connection points to the floor at impact. (They are both on their toes).
-Balance the machine so there is no wobble at the top and then for good measure secure it to the floor anyways (with some custom Maxwell golf shoes from England perhaps).

Aye, now thats a Machine lad!

O.B.

[cometgolfer]

Cometgolfer

This is my last post concerning my personal website, which is merely a pet hobby interest. If anybody wants to discuss it, they can send a PM. I am here to discuss HK's ideas and learn more about the TGM system.

You wrote-: "Please make sure you get the Gulbis sequence on there as well to support your theories."

That statement reflects your character, and therefore your opinion doesn't represent a constructive comment that will help me make my personal website more accurate.

Jeff.

Jeff,

You're the one who muddied the LBG site with Gulbis as your "new-and-improved" version of pivot center being the "set distance of the left shoulder socket from the ball at impact". I'm not sure why my request that you post that same swing sequence on your website as a reflection of your understanding of a proper golf swing is now an indicator of my "character"? Sounds like more imprecision on your part.

It would be a shame if your "pet hobby" messed up other people's hobby.

CG

[O.B.Left]

Jeff,

It would be a shame if your "pet hobby" messed up other people's hobby.

CG

Hannah: "Maybe you're over pleasuring yourself or something?"
Woody Allen: "..now your going to start knocking my hobbies?"

Woody Allen, "Hannah and Her Sisters"

[KevCarter]

At the risk of being far too basic for you guys...

The drill "Steady Head Drill" on the 2nd disk of Alignment Golf shows this perfectly. Lynn discusses keeping he head centered while creating tilt by moving the hips a little forward. This actually gives the illusion of the head being back, but Lynn shows us that the head is still centered between his feet.

Homer Kelley's text along with Yoda's demonstration is good enough for me, I want as few compensations in my motion as possible!



Kevin

[Jeff]

OB left

You wrote-: "Your looking at his driver swing, I believe. His iron swing is more balanced, centered if you will. No wobble at the top.

The premise of the book is that it is a machine, a golfing machine that we are trying to build. It doesnt take much to see the need for balance and a vertical c.o.g line about which to rotate. Like the spinning top."

I agree with your position about having a centralised swing and the idea of minimising any sway/wobbling. Tiger Woods stays more centralised, with less secondary axis tilt, in his short iron swing - compared to his driver swing where he has far more secondary axis tilt. I made that point in a previous post where I stated that I believe that a stationary head is a marker of a stable pivot structure. I compared Mike Bennett to Anthony Kim, and I stated that Mike Bennett's COG remained closer to the center and that one could conceive of him having a very centralised pivot center and a very centralised pivot axis - like a spinning top. I think that it's a much better technique than the idiosyncratic technique of Natalie Gulbis. Natalie Gulbis is to Mike Bennett (re: centralised pivot axis and stationary head) like Jim Furyk is to Anthony Kim (re: keeping the clubshaft on-plane during the backswing). One can get away with atypical moves, but that requires a compensatory adjustment action. I prefer staying as close to the TGM model as possible. I simply don't think that HK's idea of a "stationary head" mandates a pivot axis in the center of the stance. I think that for driver swings (where one places a premium on distance) that certain golfers may prefer to have their stationary head (which stabilises their pivoting skeletal structure) just to the right of the center of their stance - like Anthony Kim. That allows them to have more secondary axis tilt and still remain stable and balanced.

Jeff.