MFT swing

[Hennybogan]

The link Jeff posted has some interesting stuff to explore. This thread has deteriorated into a run of the mill........

I'd just like to look at the pictures of Tiger and Jamie and try to understand the dynamic that allows them to propel the ball like the giants Hogan talked about in 5 lessons. But these guys don't look like giants....just strong and fast.

It looks to me like Jamie will only get longer as his technique improves.

Anyone see any serious karate chopping down the plane?

Anyone see some hula hula pivot?

Anyone see any maximizing the radius?

[pistol]

The link Jeff posted has some interesting stuff to explore. This thread has deteriorated into a run of the mill........

What thread jack?? from me ?? should i just read instead ??

[Hennybogan]

What thread jack?? from me ?? should i just read instead ??

Pistol,

I don't think you jacked the thread. I think you responded the jack. Definitely post.

[pistol]

Pistol,

I don't think you jacked the thread. I think you responded the jack. Definitely post.

OK HB whats this thread about again?

[Hennybogan]

I don't remember

[O.B.Left]

I don't remember

Henny, Bucket You guys are great but .....Its christmas. How 'bout sharing something.

Tell us what you would change or add to the article. Geometry? How do you rotate those hips 180 degrees or whatever? With the right hip? HOgan talked about driving the right knee but was this really his right hip driving?

O.B.


PS My two cents worth is, what the heck does a Hawaiin know about hockey slap shots? Thats like me talking about HULa dancing, OOps I have.

[Jeff]

OB Left

I actually encourage detailed posts from forum members. I am not discouraging HB and 12PB from posting a detailed post on their viewpoint(s).

However, I am very critical in my analysis of posts, and I parse every sentence in a post for its logical coherence in terms of cause-and-effect relationships. If somebody believes that a 2nd hip firing and 2nd shoulder firing in the late downswing (just prior to impact) can increase ball flight distance, then I expect them to make sure that their argument is intellectually coherent and concordant with established TGM beliefs.

GBD

You wrote-: "I am not convinced that the arm rotational velocity increase much between green diamond and blue circle (time point for max arm speed)... the arm speed trace seems to plateau at about the same time as the shoulder rotation...approximately."

I am surprised that you harbor that belief. I have always believed that one needs to release PA#4 efficiently so that the arms swing freely across the body into impact. John Jacobs in his book "Practical Golf" strongly emphazises a free flowing arm swing. The arms should not outrace the torso, but they definitely shouldn't only travel as fast as the torso rotates. The arms should surely travel faster than the upper torso in the late downswing.

Here is a photo series of Ben Hogan's swing. Note how the left arm progressively separates from the chest wall (and hands move further away from the right shoulder) during the downswing.



That's what I call an efficient release of PA#4.

Jeff.

[Hennybogan]

Henny, Bucket You guys are great but .....Its christmas. How 'bout sharing something.

Tell us what you would change or add to the article. Geometry? How do you rotate those hips 180 degrees or whatever? With the right hip? HOgan talked about driving the right knee but was this really his right hip driving?

O.B.


PS My two cents worth is, what the heck does a Hawaiin know about hockey slap shots? Thats like me talking about HULa dancing, OOps I have.

TGM has the geometry covered...not much this guy is going to tell us.

I would not turn my hips 180 degrees unless I wanted to have left knee surgery.

I've read that bit that Hogan said about running the right knee at the ball, but I have not seen Hogan do it.

[12 piece bucket]

The link Jeff posted has some interesting stuff to explore. This thread has deteriorated into a run of the mill........

I'd just like to look at the pictures of Tiger and Jamie and try to understand the dynamic that allows them to propel the ball like the giants Hogan talked about in 5 lessons. But these guys don't look like giants....just strong and fast.

It looks to me like Jamie will only get longer as his technique improves.

Anyone see any serious karate chopping down the plane?

Anyone see some hula hula pivot?

Anyone see any maximizing the radius?

Agreed . . . .but before we proceed down that line of thought . . . I think we should state the basic premise of this dude's arguement.

1. He doesn't think "rotary" stuff is "the way it works" at least to hit the ball far.

2. He is advising maximizing vertical forces into the ground vs. just turning or just sliding . . . so slide then push up and turn dynamically.

3. He wants you to swing the arms FAST.

So the question is . . . . is this contradictory to Mr. K . . . I say NO . . . I think it's right in line. There certainly are some things to flesh out.

1. 4-1-2-3 . . .what does that mean in relation to "fast arms" . . . considering Homer said the arms are the power lane?

2. How do you swing your arms fast? Do you just plane turn your pivot into them massive rotor style? Is there arm participation?

3. I think releasing 4-1-2-3 at the proper rate with the pivot has huge on plane functions . ..

[Jeff]

12PB

I don't that you are representing his "core" MFT argument.

His core argument is based on multiple firings - the idea that one should reactivate the hip turn again in the late downswing.

This is what he wrote-: "In a biomechanical graph, this means that Tiger has two velocity peaks for his hips and shoulders. His second hip velocity peak occurs just prior to impact and this "slingshots" his shoulders (2nd firing) into the ball with maximum force."

He is arguing that a second hip velocity peak will "slingshot" the shoulders into the ball with maximum force. Do you buy that argument? Do you believe that slinging your right shoulder into the ball with maximum force (as a second firing) will increase ball speed? If you do, please explain the mechanics.

Jeff.