I don't see the word "alternative" in my 6th edition, am I missing somewhere?
It reads:-
"The Aiming Point (6-E) equivalent for this procedure is the "Open" and "Closed" Stance Line (10-5) which varies the Ball location in its relation to the body for any given Release Type (10-20, 10-24), to compensate for different Clubshaft lengths and must be worked out by experiment (See 9-1-1) because the players habitual Pivot procedure will bring the Hands very dependably into Release Position at the same point in relation to the body.
I know that no one will buy my "playing word" concept...but when I read 3-F-5 (1); 9-1-1 through 9-1-12; chapter 4 and 5 wrist and hand education and monitoring, i really don't have a concept that which one control which one...9-0 The Basic Motions that constitute the Golf Stroke are
divided among three separate-but simultaneous and synchronous Zones of the action that is occurring throughout the stroke.
I will stop here as my english is bad, golf stroke is bad, just a hacker who don't understand the book but hoping that there will be no disargeement of hand to pivot or pivot to hand. I hope I would follow 3-5-F to enjoy practice and playing...G.O.L.F. Fun
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
I hope I would follow 3-5-F to enjoy practice and playing...G.O.L.F. Fun
Hey KOC - no worries. I used alternative and equivalent interchangeably. Probably not a good idea and if it helps, just substitute the word "equivalent" in my post above as I probably took some liberties.
You are right that the golf swing is a very wholistic action through all of the zones; Its an athletic endeavour. What is in control is your intent. Beyond that it is directing the most efficient and productive tool at your disposal towards that intent.
Because I aim, my intent is to compress the golf ball with a square clubface on the third inside dimple from the back center, what is the best tool to accomplish that goal? I've learned that the aiming point for my pitching wedge is about 3 inches in front of the ball so I pick the spot on the ground along the baseline of the plane and from the top of my swing, I drag the #3 pressure point as far down to that location as I possibly can, all the while monitoring lag pressure so I don't release it too early and have the right amount of pressure for the distance I have chosen.
whew...thats a lot to think about! Good thing I don't have to think at all because my job is to look at the baseline spot and aim my #3 pressure point at it. In my mind all I'm thinking about is distance to the pin. Its as easy as throwing a stone.
What if I want to hit my pitching wedge 100 yards instead of 120 yards? My aiming point doesn't change but my pivot must accomodate these demands based on lag pressure felt in my right hand.
Thats all it is. An awareness of lag pressure and where it is being directed.
I really don't want to bash pivot controlled hands because I believe their are teachers who can teach it well, players who find it very effective and player athletes who earn millions on the PGA TOUR using it.
I played today and will play again tomorrow, and even though I attempted an awareness of my hands to their aiming point, there were plenty of shots when my pivot was boss and a few minor pushes and pulls as a result. Oh well, Its all good.
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Bagger
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Hey KOC - no worries. I used alternative and equivalent interchangeably. Probably not a good idea and if it helps, just substitute the word "equivalent" in my post above as I probably took some liberties.
You are right that the golf swing is a very wholistic action through all of the zones; Its an athletic endeavour. What is in control is your intent. Beyond that it is directing the most efficient and productive tool at your disposal towards that intent.
Because I aim, my intent is to compress the golf ball with a square clubface on the third inside dimple from the back center, what is the best tool to accomplish that goal? I've learned that the aiming point for my pitching wedge is about 3 inches in front of the ball so I pick the spot on the ground along the baseline of the plane and from the top of my swing, I drag the #3 pressure point as far down to that location as I possibly can, all the while monitoring lag pressure so I don't release it too early and have the right amount of pressure for the distance I have chosen.
whew...thats a lot to think about! Good thing I don't have to think at all because my job is to look at the baseline spot and aim my #3 pressure point at it. In my mind all I'm thinking about is distance to the pin. Its as easy as throwing a stone.
What if I want to hit my pitching wedge 100 yards instead of 120 yards? My aiming point doesn't change but my pivot must accomodate these demands based on lag pressure felt in my right hand.
Thats all it is. An awareness of lag pressure and where it is being directed.
I really don't want to bash pivot controlled hands because I believe their are teachers who can teach it well, players who find it very effective and player athletes who earn millions on the PGA TOUR using it.
I played today and will play again tomorrow, and even though I attempted an awareness of my hands to their aiming point, there were plenty of shots when my pivot was boss and a few minor pushes and pulls as a result. Oh well, Its all good.
On-the-money insights, Bagger. They are the product of much ball crunching, book reading and mind searching, and it shows. You pursue Golfing Perfection because you love it, and that shows, too.
I don't see the word "alternative" in my 6th edition, am I missing somewhere?
It reads:-
"The Aiming Point (6-E) equivalent for this procedure is the "Open" and "Closed" Stance Line (10-5) which varies the Ball location in its relation to the body for any given Release Type (10-20, 10-24), to compensate for different Clubshaft lengths and must be worked out by experiment (See 9-1-1) because the players habitual Pivot procedure will bring the Hands very dependably into Release Position at the same point in relation to the body.
I know that no one will buy my "playing word" concept...but when I read 3-F-5 (1); 9-1-1 through 9-1-12; chapter 4 and 5 wrist and hand education and monitoring, i really don't have a concept that which one control which one...9-0 The Basic Motions that constitute the Golf Stroke are
divided among three separate-but simultaneous and synchronous Zones of the action that is occurring throughout the stroke.
I will stop here as my english is bad, golf stroke is bad, just a hacker who don't understand the book but hoping that there will be no disargeement of hand to pivot or pivot to hand. I hope I would follow 3-5-F to enjoy practice and playing...G.O.L.F. Fun
FWIW, I hate to see you selling yourself short KOC. I have been impressed by your TGM knowledge for years, and you have been very helpful to my learning!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I have always learned and taught a hands controlled pivot. The first person to talk to me on this gave me 2 examples: a pivot will not bring the hands to the top of the backswing but the hands moving to the top will create a pivot (maybe not a great one)
It all comes down to the player and if the player has uneducated hands. I find that the hands can get started on a good path if the pivot starts the backswing, but I feel that once the hands start to work properly, they should be able to control the pivot and everything else in the swing.
From my playing experience, if my pivot controls the arms and hands, I can flush it, but flight varies. If my hands control it and then work towards an aiming point, then I can knock down a flag or 2. This is my feel as a player and may not always link with my ideals as an instructor.
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