I have studied the notes many times; great stuff....
Homer quote from the notes, "The amount of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the more pronounced the slide is. The more upright the plane the more subtle the slide".
If using the Turned Shoulder plane for example, the amount of slide (axis tilt) is to put the right shoulder on that plane. I am not sure where Mr. Kelley was going with the quote above in this regard. My Incubator never spit that one into the Computer.
Drewit , anybody
Was this ever resolved? Why more hip slide for a flatter plane? I would have guessed the other way around given the 1970's swings of yesteryear. Johnny Miller for example.
I remember Brian Manzella explained this years ago at his forum, but I really don't recall the explaination. It's been a while since I went there so I wouldn't know if it's still there? I really don't know if there's still a forum alive, but I guess there is...
Can it have anything to do with the earlier release point and the corresponding aiming point being before the ball with the driver??
Was this ever resolved? Why more hip slide for a flatter plane? I would have guessed the other way around given the 1970's swings of yesteryear. Johnny Miller for example.
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I would agree with you on the other way around. If your hands are "high" and not deep and you turn . . . they are going to fly out over the plane faster because the have less "out" to cover before they are "over" the plane.
I would agree with you on the other way around. If your hands are "high" and not deep and you turn . . . they are going to fly out over the plane faster because the have less "out" to cover before they are "over" the plane.
Nice one. I was going with my gut and a perceived 50/50 chance,which is high for me, but that is a good explanation. Im guessing its a typo then maybe? Easy to do when transcribing Homer unless you are very Homer like yourself.
Makes me wonder about the Jim Hardy left arm along the shoulder line thing and its possible explanation in TGM terms. Although IMHO the cart is in front of the horse on that one. Not to open a can of worms or anything. Disregard. Abort. Disengage.
Back in 2004, I presented the hip slide question to Chuck Evans
on his then website: "In your ebook, you state "THE Higher the
hands at the top of the swing (above the right shoulder) the MORE
pronounced the hip slide. The LOWER the hands (at/or below
shoulder height the less hip slide." Homer notes say the amout
of Hip Slide is dependent on swing plane. The flatter the plane the
more PONOUNCED the the slide is. The more upright the plane the
more subtle the slide. Please comment on the difference.
Chuck said, " I posted on this in another thread. If the hands are
above shoulder height, then they MUST get back to shoulder
height BEFORE they can trace the Delivery line...thus more hip
slide. But NEVER overdo this hip slide...It's only about two inches.
I guess that Chuck thinks in terms of how high the hands go, rather
than Flat/Upright. Hitters seem more upright but the hands do not
go above shoulder height. Swingers can go to the end with a flatter
swing. From what I read, the downswing starts from shoulder
height and then Homer's note comes into play.
Never resolved. Two seperate Zones of Motion, but simultaneous and synchronous.
yep . . . .geometry too though . . . . slide and also distance the hands have to travel . . . . thinking of a right triangle . . . . there is more vertical in the upright planes so the hands have to move down faster to stay on plane via #4 & #1 too right?
I could be way off on this but let me add something to this discussion. Would the length of the club have any bearing on this. Take two players, one standing and one kneeling, both with the same length clubshaft. Which player would require more axis tilt in order to get the right shoulder to move downplane?
so I wouldn't know if it's still there? I really don't know if there's still a forum alive, but I guess there is...
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