2. Generally with full power shots we want a shaft that is leaning and not vertical to the ground particularly with irons. But (and this is to your question) you want to program the RIGHT AMOUNT of shaft lean at Fix. You probably don't want as much shaft lean with a 5-iron as a wedge unless you are trying to punch it under a tree or wind or something. We want the longer clubs to get in the air. So this is where your right wrist bend comes in. You want your face aimed with the amount of lean you want at Fix.
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Great Post Bucket. I'm required (by my wife) to take time-off to be tortured on the beach so I won't be on-line this weekend. It has something to do with "divided attention" or something. I don't know for sure because I didn't catch everything she said.
But anyway, back to my question. If I want my driver to get the ball "more in the air", would leaning the shaft away from the target at "FIX" help?
I thought that the Amount of Hook-Face is related to shaft lean. I thought that shaft lean is designed along with the length and loft of the club to prevent the leading edge from hitting the ground before ball-separation. So, it's ok to lean the shaft more than the club was designed for, but not less.
I'm just clarifying, and would like to get your point of view on the matter.
Thanks again to both of you. Admittedly, while I am always willing to golf till I drop, I have not been so willing to focus on the details of setup. I'm beginning to see the light, however, because recently I am hitting the ball consistently enough to [finally] realize the results of carelessness at setup. For example, I've known for decades the value of getting a very good alignment "fix" before setting my feet, but only now realizing that I need to do this on every single shot. In the same vein, while I've always played some shots with more shaft lean and some with less, you're telling me that I need to be cognizant of this variable on every shot, and I believe it.
In an interesting side-note, last night I took my practice to the course and had occasion to hit 5 short-iron or wedge approach shots in 9 holes. On each of those shots, I concentrated on about as much right-wrist angle as I could comfortably manage--ditto for shaft lean--and "held off" the follow-through about head-high in order to maintain lag as long as possible. This was not purely an academic exercise, because as it so happened, on each occasion I was between clubs and into a significant (10-15 mph) wind. Choosing the higher-lofted club, mostly PW, I went for what felt like a Tiger stinger. Not only were the results very pleasing (both accuracy and distance were remarkably good), but afterward I realized that what I'd experienced was probably very close to a "hitter's" shotmaking. From the position at the top, just a slash downward to impact, almost like driving a tent-peg, and significantly more divot than I usually take. Trajectory was medium at most, very straight and on-line, and even with the lower-than-normal trajectory, carry distance was at least equal to my best with a typical, higher finish and flight. The weird thing for this "swinger" was putting on the brakes so abruptly. Felt like I was going to squeeze the fingers of my left hand in two.
Great Post Bucket. I'm required (by my wife) to take time-off to be tortured on the beach so I won't be on-line this weekend. It has something to do with "divided attention" or something. I don't know for sure because I didn't catch everything she said.
But anyway, back to my question. If I want my driver to get the ball "more in the air", would leaning the shaft away from the target at "FIX" help?
I thought that the Amount of Hook-Face is related to shaft lean. I thought that shaft lean is designed along with the length and loft of the club to prevent the leading edge from hitting the ground before ball-separation. So, it's ok to lean the shaft more than the club was designed for, but not less.
I'm just clarifying, and would like to get your point of view on the matter.
Make sure you put the tater in the right end of the Speedo . . . . It goes in the front . . . I made the mistake the other way around. Now that we're discussing Speedo we may as well discuss "shaft lean" . . . yikes.
Shaft lean . . . . Shaft lean generally means a "steeper" angle of attack . . . Shaft lean "nicks" the loft but has the face vector more right (opens the face).
Get you one of them face angle magnet dealeez experiment with moving the handle forward and backward up and down . . . watch what it does to the face vector . . . . You'll see first hand why Homer said Plane shifts are HAZARDOUS . . . . and more hazardous the closer you get to the ball.
I got me one dem deals at Bucket's behest. I realized that I had little or no "face-sense." I was focused on the head for the most part. Moving the handle up and down was a real eye-opener.
I got me one dem deals at Bucket's behest. I realized that I had little or no "face-sense." I was focused on the head for the most part. Moving the handle up and down was a real eye-opener.
HUGE right? (the magnet deal that is) . . .
One other thing you can do with that thingie is get a driveway ninja stick and put on the ground . . . lay the club with the magnet dealy on it . . . if the stick is to the right of magnet dealie ball go curves left . . . if to the left of the dealy curves to the right . . . then monkey with that handle location to see how that works with the path.
Word! My new swing thought these days is "Trace the Face" At fix I determine the starting line I want I then draw my straight plane line according to what spin effect I need to produce. If I trace "right"...hook spin...if I trace "left" ...cut spin. I never play very well when my clubface looks left (insufficient lean/low handle) My mid-round band-aid is usually to lift my hands...ya know flv/blv! Taking my grip at fix has also been very helpful.
Ive read that at impact fix that the right forearm should point at the plane line. Is this true, and does this matter for what plane one swings on (turned shoulder vs elbow plane) and is it the same for hitting and swinging? Thanks guys
Ive read that at impact fix that the right forearm should point at the plane line. Is this true, and does this matter for what plane one swings on (turned shoulder vs elbow plane) and is it the same for hitting and swinging? Thanks guys
At Fix the Right Forearm and the club shaft should be IN THE SAME PLANE ideally . . . according to Mr. Kelley the Elbow Plane is the flattest plane that allows the Right Forearm and shaft to be IN-LINE.
So basically at Fix you are simulating your Impact alignments for the shot at hand. So yes, you'd be determining the Plane Angle here (Turned Shoulder, Elbow, Hands-only etc.). Impact Alignments are the same for Hitting and Swinging . . . so yes it works for both. The other things you are "fixing" in your computer at Fix are the "handle location" - height (plane angle), amount of shaft lean, clubface alignment, wrist conditions all for the shot at hand. You can play from a Fix "Address" or return to Adjusted Address once you have programmed everything at Fix. Early on or during practice you may simulate EVERYTHING at Fix . .. Axis Tilt, amount of Knee Bend, Hip Action, etc. But once you know how it works you may just want to put the handle at the height forward lean you want adjust your face and then grip it from there.
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