Ben Hogan's Magical Device

[okie]

Not trying to be difficult but I don't think Homer Kelly had a pattern for Hogan's swing. With 144 variations thoughout the 24 components I suggest it is there! TGM says 4 barrel, or 2-M-3 what ever else but Hogan hit the golf ball fully with his right side and thats pretty much why people don't like to talk about Hogan's swing and if they do I find them to be way off base. The old way of TGM talked about a bowed left wrist now they have chaged it to flat. Flat or "flat? "Hogan used his extrem flex bowing the back of the right wrist to bow his left through impact. This also got the club in a layed off lag position while the right elbow was getting into place for Hogan to hit it as hard as he wanted with his right side. Hogan was not a swinger or a hitter he was a rotary pusher of the dominant right side. Are we talking right arm participation here? If he pushed...he was a hitter! I am pretty sure that you are limited to pushing or pulling, and in some cases an unfortunate combination of both! I explained this in my book that some of you have read and asked me about. I have hit Hogan's personal clubs and they are 6 flat, I am sure this helped the Wee Ice Mon with the on plane right forearm on the elbow plane with a grounded heel to set open, You do not want that club face looking left, especially with a full tilt horizontal hinge action extrem stiff, and thick grips, Homer would have approved on both accounts! with a coat hanger it felt like set at 5:25. I have talked to people that played with him on a regular basis, pro's that played against him, and was able to view some private films of him swinging on the range. The Ben Hogan Estate went as far to authorise me with full rights to Hogan's name and image. What a coup! Congratulations! I'm not saying that I am the only person that knows Hogan's swing or that what I say is the final word but rather a lot of people get Hogan wrong on what he did in the golf swing and they are trying to make you believe what they do from the facts they have gathered from photos, or youtube video which all but one I have seen don't show a strait angle of Hogan from a DTL which most base there facts off of. Sorry if I come off in any wrong way I am just trying to help myself understand others point of views to my own and express what I think as well.

congrats on the book...hope it does well

[KevCarter]

congrats on the book...hope it does well

Hi Burley,

I hope you are doing GREAT my friend!

One of my TGM heroes made this post years ago. I think it is a very interesting take on Mr. Hogan's pattern. I agree with OKIE, it's in the book, I don't have the knowledge to figure it out myself, but I am a MASTER of Cut and Paste!

Cheers,
Kevin

pre: from 45' to 49' Mr. Hogan won 37 times
post: from 50' on he never played in more than 7 PGA Tour events in a year yet he won 13 more times, including 6 majors. Until Tiger in 2000, Mr. Hogan was the only man to win three professional majors in one season in 53'

My favorite swing style of Mr. Hogan is his pre-accident swing because I believe that he was a true 3-barrel swinger w/ no manipulations. He hated the hook and said that it was like a rattesnake in his pocket. When he came back from injury he incorporated several anti-hook components that IMOP lead him to be a hand manipulated swinger.

I will be looking at only 2 videos...down the line from "Hogan at Augusta" and face on from "Hogan face-on view Power Golf"

10-1: overlapping-A
10-2: strong single action-B
10-3: pitch-B
10-4: triple barrel-C (2-3-4)
10-5: square-square-A
10-6: elbow-A
10-7: double shift-C
10-8: standard-A
10-9: standard-A
10-10: dual horizontal-D
10-11: 3-pt combo (2-3-4)
10-12: standard pivot-A
10-13: standard-A
10-14: standard-A
10-15: standard-A
10-16: right anchor-C
10-17: standard-A
10-18: standard-A
10-19: drag loading-C
10-20: combo- shoulder turn & wrist throw C&E
10-21: end-C
10-22: random sweep-B
10-23: top arc & angled line-D
10-24: automatic random sweep-C

This is a very fun exercise...notice the amount of standards in this list 1/3....hmmmmmm

Hopefully someone will put together a list from the post accident era of Bantam Ben

[BurleyGolf]

Little something I see and teach-

Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane.

Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on...

[12 piece bucket]

Little something I see and teach-

Not a lot of people talk about set up because it is one of the things that is so varied to each persons natural swing, at least as told my many. I think that you all hear a lot of Tour pro's talk about setup/alignment and thats about as for as it goes. I think that any player that gets the correct setup/alignment will play his best ever but you have to throw weight distribution into the mix because to much left or to much right changes the plane.

Below I have added a very 4 year old photo I drew and yes it looks like my kid who is 4 years old drew it! What it show is a never changing club head line as to its arc, but you will see as the feet change the shoulders and hand arc changes. This to me is why it is important as to the way the hands travel keeping the club plane arc in tact. My self personaly I roll the club open because I don't want to leave my self a chance of hitting it way left and I don't believe hooding the club is a good thing as some think but call it (matching the spin angle). Notice the line through the midde showing ball position the club lean never changes and the ball position is consistant as the angles of the feet and shoulders change. Well just look at the photo and see it from all possible angles as the club lies open, and think of Hogan. Most people think Hogan had his hands behind the ball at address and in fact the angle of the photos or video or playing tricks on your mind! Just something to chew on...

VERY NICE!!!

Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration.

Thanks for posting up.

[12 piece bucket]

B-golf . . . could you speak to Hogan's "connection" concept? what is your take on that? How does it work . . . what does it do?

[BurleyGolf]

B-golf . . . could you speak to Hogan's "connection" concept? what is your take on that? How does it work . . . what does it do?

Can you be a little more in detail as to what area or to the effects at what speed or position. Reason I ask I have a lot of info in my little pea size brain and thank God I have written it it al almost down. Just want to answer your question as best as I can.

BurleyGolf.com-

[12 piece bucket]

Can you be a little more in detail as to what area or to the effects at what speed or position. Reason I ask I have a lot of info in my little pea size brain and thank God I have written it it al almost down. Just want to answer your question as best as I can.

BurleyGolf.com-

I guess what I was after is Mr. Hogan seemed to swing his arms very close to his body thru the ball with the club exiting low and left. There are many down the line pictures where the butt cap is hidden by his body but the clubhead is still out and moving low left. His arms seemed to work close and with his body.

Is this something folks should be trying to do? Or is it just part of Mr. Hogan's move? I don't think there's anything that he left to chance in that swing. Just wondering why that particular piece/pieces are there.

[KevCarter]

VERY NICE!!!

Hogan on arc of approach . . . shifting ball around on the arc to hit different shapes and trajectories but keeping the arc. . . . also SHOULDERS CONTROL PLANE OF THE ARMS . . . great illustration.

Thanks for posting up.

Burley was ahead of his time on that diagram. It reminds me a lot of Plummer & Bennett's teaching of the point of tangency, as well as Luther BlackLock's radial system. Burley has a lot to offer, and I hope he sticks with TGM and LBG, the only way to fly!

Kevin

[dss]

Who is that in these pictures? It is not Mr. Hogan...