It makes sense that Luke and others Hitters bump to the Right because it's the precise path that an Extensor Action Take-away moves their Left Hand. By having their Hands Forward Pressed, Extensor Action Force moves them Straight to the Right (parallel) with the Plane-Line which creates the "Sawing" motion of the Right Elbow. So, for Hitters, bumping the Hip is with-in their Alignment 'protocol' and may be a very correct Start-Up Trigger to remind the Right Deltoids muscle of its direction.
I stole it from Homer. I can't take credit. This is the Fun Part about Geometry and Alignments. One Alignment LOOKS different when in a different Location.
Swingers need to Fan the Right Forearm with a Stationary Elbow to have it become "Angled-to-the-right-Aligned" (Spayed to the Right) to their Shoulders when the Right Elbow begins to raise away from their side at Start-up. This Alignment, at the Top of their Swings, Locates their Elbows pointing more Downward to be Directly behind and support the Secondary Lever (Right Forearm more up and down). Hitters, on the other hand, have Right Elbows that begin to raise when the Right Forearm is perpendicular to their shoulders so that at the Top of the Swing, their Elbows point Backwards Slightly (Right Forearm at a 45 degree Angle) and their #3 Pressure point can Support the Primary Lever.
One day I was playing with these alignments after viewing a Yoda video where he Tilts the "Wedges" at the Top of the Swing, to demonstrate Hitters Elbow Location -vs- Swingers Elbow Location. It eventually dawned on me that these alignments are so different that something must be causing them. I Traced these Alignments back to the Angle of the Right Forearm at the Time when the Right Elbow Leaves and Raises from the Side during Start-up.
It was an INVALUABLE lesson because I learned that with a Shoulder, or Torso Turn Take-away, the Golfer needs to manipulate the Elbow to Locate these Alignments and at best, it could only be guesswork. It's also extra motion and bla, bla, bla. Th Extensor Action Take-away from correctly Set Up Hitters and Swingers, precisely establishes these Alignments at the End of Start-up. In other words, these are the same Alignments of the Power Package at the End of Start-up BEING SEEN in a different Location.
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The "McDonald" Myth and Pivot Controlled Hands. The Grip End does not Point to the Belt Buckle during Start-up. It May appear to point to that location for a Swinger with a Flat Right Wrist at Take-away, until the Bending of the Right Wrist. But thats only a visual "It Looks Like". McDonald and others converted that into a "this is what you should do", rather than, "if you do this, it will look like you did this". It would be nice if the Clubshaft would Point To The Baseline and simultaneously remain on your desired Angle of Inclination.
The Clubshaft has an important Alignment because it is part of the Primary Lever. The "Left Arm Flying Wedge". The Clubshaft is part of the Power Package and Plane of motion and the #3 Pressure Point must reconcile the Power Package Alignments with the Plane-Line. Therefore, it functions even during a Non-Pivot Stroke, say a 20 yard pitch shot.
I'm glad you asked. The "Force" is Downward. The Power Package can Only Move Up and Down. The Pivot moves Out and In. Reconciling them, is the Job #1 of the Hands while Tracing the Baseline of the Inclined Plane. I'm unsure whether downward is On-Plane or Vertical drop. My brain is tired.
I'm pretty sure it is for Hitters using Single Wrist Action Throughout 10-18-C #3, but I'm not sure for 10-18-C #2. I'm not Sure for Swingers if Down means Vertical or On-Plane. For Non-Pivot Strokes, it's definitely an On-Plane Down, not Vertical Drop.
POWER PACKAGE DRILL:
Clasp Your Hands in front of you at Shoulder Level.
Bend your right arm a few inches.
Lock both elbows in-place so that the Arm alignments stay unchanged as you move the Power Package Up and Down from the Shoulder Joints without changing Elbow Bend. Hands and Elbows and arms move up and down in Unison. Look how far the Right Elbow can Travel. It can get as high as your right Shoulder and all the way down to your right hip. That is Downstroke Hand Acceleration Power Package Travel.
NOW, move your hands left and Right by unbending and bending the right Elbow. That is Clubhead Acceleration and is the Release Travel of the Power Package. Left Arm Blast Off for Swingers or Right Triceps Thrust for Hitters. GET THIS: When the Power Package is fully Lowered, it's in the Release Zone. Automatically, the Right Arm begins to straighten or the Left Arm moves away from the chest, depending on your point of view. Hitting the "Bottom" of the Power Package Travel is what Triggers the Automatic Release.
Left and Right causes the Release.
Up and Down does not cause "Release".
Now. Education..........THIS IS WHAT 99% of all Golfers do, including Slicer Mcgolf.
Clasp your Hands.
Bend your right elbow and place it at your right side. (Most Golfers Right Elbows never leave their right Side)
Keep your right elbow stationary and Unbend and bend your Right Elbow to raise and lower your left arm.
As you Bend up and down, start pulling your left arm leftward on the Downward unbending motion and your hands will travel from Upper right to Lower Left.
What does that do for you? NOTHING, Instantaneous Release with No Acceleration. Except, it will make you Flatten your Right Wrist Through Impact to reach the ball.
Some quick notes, got to get to work.
-Again, your view of hitting seems limited to an elbow saw, linear, Push Basic type takeaway. Please consider Punch Elbow, 10-3-A, The first listed Major Basic Stroke, Homers recommendation in 12-1-0 The Basic Pattern for Hitting. Or is this another sneak attack against hitters? Are you trying to get all hitters to elbow saw , Push Basic when at full power. Maybe when putting or in Basic but please stop saying "saw". Are you One Planeing us? Hardy? Hitters Fan too, come on. Why cant we all just get along.
-So divergent forces netting out when going down. Power package goes down, pivot goes out. Cool. Matches my idea of the backswing.........power package goes up, pivot turns back. Given proper Tracing you are in business. Hand to Pivot.
-McDonald "myth" stings a bit. As for it being Pivot controlled Hands, I disagree. It is all about Motion, the pivot should not be frozen. To do this is no different than doing it in normal everyday life. Spend a day not pivoting and tell me how your back feels, even if doing the most simple of human movements. The use of the pivot to motivate the hands is done subconsciously in just about every motion we make that involves turning. AND IT DOESNT PRECLUDE THE HANDS FROM BEING IN CONTROL. Per Homer, the Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot. This does not imply that the pivot is frozen or second sequentially in Startup. Where does he say the Hands must proceed the Pivot in startup for it to be Hands to Pivot? Put a brace around your back and see what happens , how awkward your motions are. I sugest that your pre cleared Right Hip is a compensation for this misconception on your part. You Sir have pre moved your Pivot. By your logic this would make YOU Pivot to Hands my friend. I say this in jest of course having great admiration for your action.
-Again, your view of hitting seems limited to an elbow saw, linear, Push Basic type takeaway.
It ain't so. Saw + Fanning.
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-McDonald "myth" stings a bit. As for it being Pivot controlled Hands, I disagree. It is all about Motion, the pivot should not be frozen. To do this is no different than doing it in normal everyday life. Spend a day not pivoting and tell me how your back feels, even if doing the most simple of human movements. The use of the pivot to motivate the hands is done subconsciously in just about every motion we make that involves turning. AND IT DOESNT PRECLUDE THE HANDS FROM BEING IN CONTROL. Per Homer, the Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot.
I guess the easiest way to put this to rest: The hands control where the body goes, or else the Body controls where the hands go.
I would agree, but I wouldn't be sincere. It is a Bend, but it results from a sawing motion, not a biceps curl motion.
How do the Hands get UP to Top in this saw and fan Punch Elbow full power motion you describe? The "bend" or "curl" is the Pickup, no? Sawing is linear and behind the golfer, no up, to my mind. I get it for Push Basic, that is a "saw" if you will, but not Punch especially as the elbow approaches a position touching the side of the body, mere inches from Pitch Elbow. Its a continuum with extremes and middle ground again. Not just black or white but sometimes grey. Mainly various shades of grey, actually.
How do the Hands get UP to Top in this saw and fan Punch Elbow full power motion you describe? The "bend" or "curl" is the Pickup, no?
No. The Bend, or curl, or saw, sets the Alignment of the Right Forearm. The Right Deltoids Muscle Raises your Left and Right Arm to the Top of the Swing. The Reason a Hitter Saws from a Forward Press Address, is to get the Right Elbow back to the Right Side by the end of Start-up. It's Only 3-4" of Saw from a Forward Press Position. I'm going to say this and you're going to scream. The Start-up and Backswing Motion of the Right Arm for a Hitter that Starts in the Forward Press Position, is like pulling the cord to start a Lawnmower. Pull and lift merge into a single motion from a pull to a lateral arm raise as your Hands move from Forward Press to about even with you Right Ear. Single Wrist Action Lawnmower.
As soon as your Right Elbow gets even with your right side, your Right Forearm is at 90 degrees to your shoulders as your Right Deltoids Raise the Power Package to the Top. Perfect Hitter Alignments.
Most of the Problems you are seeing here are caused by mixing a Shoulder Turn Takeaway with Hitters Extensor Action Start-up. His Forearm becomes too vertical at the Top which causes his Forearm to come in above plane and too far forward of his Side at Release. It is simply a matter of more right deltoids muscle and less shoulder turn motion.
The Power Package Motion during the Downstroke is identical for Hitters and Swingers. Notice the above Golfers Elbow Bend at the Top Of the Swing. It's about 90 degrees. For a Swinger, this is too much Bend. So at Release, the Right Forearm would be above Plane, as in the photo. Unbend it 5 degrees at the Top, and if this was a swinger, the Right Forearm would be On-Plane with the Elbow location in the photo. But the Guy above wants to Hit. So his Elbow Bend is good at 90 Degrees but his Elbow should be Pointing behind him more at the Top of the Swing. That would Angle his Forearm more at the Top, but also at Release, because his Elbow would be at the back of his side and his Forearm would be On-Plane. In the Photo above, his Right Elbow is too much in front of his right hip by a couple of inches. He also loses a slight amount of waist bend at Release. But if you add 2" for Elbow Location and 2" for Waist bend, his Forearm would be a little below plane but then he could add a little more elbow bend at the Top, say another 10 degrees and put him at 80 degrees which would give him more elbow bend at Impact and/or a longer Piston/Fanning Action for Release. It's simply a matter of Elbow Location at the Top of the Swing.....
Understanding Alignments: Bend your right arm at 90 degrees and put your elbow at your side. Keeping the Bend at 90 degrees, move your elbow a little behind you to a little in front of the right hip. Notice how elbow location changes the Plane Angle of the Right Forearm?
The Elbow Location at Release is the Same Elbow Location that it was at the Top of the Swing, but the Power Package has moved. It pivoted down from the Shoulder joints. The Power Package Changed Locations but the Elbow has the identical alignments to the Power Package that it did at the Top of the Swing. TGM.
QUOTE]Sawing is linear and behind the golfer, no up, to my mind.[/quote]
Right...But you're not going past the Right Side. BUT, your Elbow should go to the Back of the Right Side. The Deltoids have already raised the Power Package as your Right Elbow gets to the Back of your side.
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I get it for Push Basic, that is a "saw" if you will, but not Punch especially as the elbow approaches a position touching the side of the body, mere inches from Pitch Elbow. Its a continuum with extremes and middle ground again. Not just black or white but sometimes grey. Mainly various shades of grey, actually.
This is nowhere near a Push Basic Elbow Location.
At Release, the Punch is a Punch with Fanning motion. You and I both agree on that. The Elbow Returns to the Side during the Downstroke and the Right Forearm is practically perpendicular to your Shoulders.
Lukes elbow is not held in place there like a swinger employing Pitch Elbow, but that is no saw or lawn mower or whatever.
I only do this for the sake of my fellow Hitters who like me might have wrongly thought that Hitting was a Push Basic like linear......ok sawing move for longer shots too. OK for short shots if you want, so choose, but there is no UP to a saw and a fan and so Puch Basic is not recommended for full power, longer shots that require you to get to Top.
This is great Daryl, makes me think and learn but I got to go play right now. Ill try em both for ya.
I guess the easiest way to put this to rest: The hands control where the body goes, or else the Body controls where the hands go.
How bout the brain controls where the Hands go. And the brain controls where the Pivot goes in accordance with the requirements of the Hands. And they dont go the same way necessarily.
Come on, we humans can do this. I bet you can do a mean right arm pickup while you drink a beer and turn your body, say to change channels on your TV.
How bout the brain controls where the Hands go. And the brain controls where the Pivot goes in accordance with the requirements of the Hands. And they dont go the same way necessarily.
Come on, we humans can do this. I bet you can do a mean right arm pickup while you drink a beer and turn your body, say to change channels on your TV.
For me balance is the link...the brain moves arms so that forces are aligned (experienced in the hands) for the task...and your brain also makes sure your pivot is in an optimum position to apply the aligned force sensations and stay in balance...staying in balance is all force management.
The key to alignment is force sensation...
To some extent the right forearm move, for me, takes some priority away from force sensation (my brain struggles to prioritise 2 sensations)...but when done properly it allows you to feel the force in your hands.
The mechanics of right forearm alignment does mean that the shoulder turn seems to be automatic and has automatically converted me to a flat shoulder turn (from rotated)...as Daryl predicts I think.
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