i worked alot with mac ogrady and he definately has that right foot slide as do i with the longer clubs to me all it comes from is simple hogan like me or alot of other players has his legs together in the finish theres no space and they are even it makes me think of doyles catch the dogs tail through the ball in the finish. If you look at the short irons hogan doesnt do it long clubs he does as does knudson seems obvious to me its because the longer clubs he as do i and knudson have wide stances to get the legs together requires the right foot to slide towards the left if the stance is to wide. Also in regards to is hogan a swinger i verse burleys definition of a rotary pusher in my mind hogan is homers definition of a swinger there is different ways to start that swinging motion. T me hogan has the simplest and purest way he gets his weight left in the beginning of his swing some call it a bump but to me he just gets his left knee over his left foot wich involves some rotation as his hands go down his angle of approach down out and forward at the same time then his right elbow gets back to his side and he fires through the ball with his core hips shoulders his whoe pivot and the club releases because of cf a true snap release. watch this clip over and over its so sweet and simple
i worked alot with mac ogrady and he definately has that right foot slide as do i with the longer clubs to me all it comes from is simple hogan like me or alot of other players has his legs together in the finish theres no space and they are even it makes me think of doyles catch the dogs tail through the ball in the finish. If you look at the short irons hogan doesnt do it long clubs he does as does knudson seems obvious to me its because the longer clubs he as do i and knudson have wide stances to get the legs together requires the right foot to slide towards the left if the stance is to wide. Also in regards to is hogan a swinger i verse burleys definition of a rotary pusher in my mind hogan is homers definition of a swinger there is different ways to start that swinging motion. T me hogan has the simplest and purest way he gets his weight left in the beginning of his swing some call it a bump but to me he just gets his left knee over his left foot wich involves some rotation as his hands go down his angle of approach down out and forward at the same time then his right elbow gets back to his side and he fires through the ball with his core hips shoulders his whoe pivot and the club releases because of cf a true snap release. watch this clip over and over its so sweet and simple
BB,
Agree . . . . LOVE that clip . . . Could you comment on the arm motion there. Hogan's arms work with his body. I was making some "baseball" type swings yesterday. It's kinda like that's how your arms HAVE TO work to keep your hands moving on that horizontal plane with out shifting them up and down . . . concentric circles huh?
I recently had a chance to read the book (Hogan's Magical Device) and I think Ted Hunt is on to something.
I've not heard mention of the type of release move he describes before, and it doesn't really fit 1-L per se because the move is in the wrist, not the forearm.
All I know is it works, and it works VERY well.
There are two main parts to what he calls the secret. The first is what TGM would call the power package, and rhythm.
The second, he calls the secret within the secret. The left hand release - it is not an uncock/roll - it is the arching of the left wrist by rolling the WRIST, not the forearm.
I would call it more of a 'motorcycle release' - the left wrist arches by rolling it forward, away from you, like you were turning the handle on a motorcycle.
That move let's you use a weak grip, 10-2-A, and cup the left wrist at the top. The release can be done very quickly, so you can hold the angle deep into pitch elbow. The 'roll' is on plane, but it is away from you, triggered by squeezing the last three fingers. He also confirms the use of the left knee to begin the downswing, the so called 'Snead squat' or sit down move.
I tried this out yesterday and compressed the ball very, very well. Quite easy to hit a fade that never goes left.
For the Hogan fans out there, there are some nice stories in the book.
Between this book and VJ's, I can do Hogan's pattern quite nicely now. I've also just gotten a copy of "The Hogan Collection" which is worth the 2nd DVD alone - a series of Hogan swings from multiple angles and times.
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Swingers Non-Automatic Simultaneous Release with 10-2-A & 10-18-B and can be used with circle Path Delivery.
I don't consider it equal to TGM Automatic Sequenced Release because neither version uses the #3 Accumulator. But it doesn't take 50 years to learn either. The Automatic version, for use with a Straight Line Delivery Path - Hip Action Triggers the Throw-Out; Uncock and Roll Simultaneously.
In Hogans situation, he released so early that he didn't slam the Shaft into a Primary Lever and Hinge for TGM Throwaway prevention. If he did, then his left arm would have moved away from his chest.
Swingers Non-Automatic Simultaneous Release with 10-2-A & 10-18-B and can be used with circle Path Delivery.
I don't consider it equal to TGM Automatic Sequenced Release because neither version uses the #3 Accumulator. But it doesn't take 50 years to learn either. The Automatic version, for use with a Straight Line Delivery Path - Hip Action Triggers the Throw-Out; Uncock and Roll Simultaneously.
In Hogans situation, he released so early that he didn't slam the Shaft into a Primary Lever and Hinge for TGM Throwaway prevention. If he did, then his left arm would have moved away from his chest.
I follow you on the non-auto release, but circle delivery? At least in my testing, I found it much easier to have a true straight line delivery from top.
Hogan released early? perhaps sweep, but early?
I think the sweep was a 'rebound' from the snap loading.
Perhaps worth a new thread....
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Somebody tell the guys at the Lab to stay open late............we got another one of D's posts coming in.
10-4, copy that, code D.
Hmm...
I agree with Ed about everything he said.
Ed,
My statement that 10-2-A & 10-18-B with Circle path was just to say that it's compatible. I didn't mean to imply that it's recommended.
Hogans 10-2-A & 10-18-B released earlier than a "Snap Release". Elbow Plane.
Hogan didn't allow his upper left arm to move away from his chest. His Pivot compensated by Locating his Right Elbow further forward on-plane for Release and Impact but not Follow-through. Hence, the slight amount of Throw-Away we often observe.
We'll never know if Hogan treated the Left Arm and Clubshaft as a Primary Lever and the Left Shoulder as a Hinge Pin. But it seems, after watching about every video of him that I could find, that he used his Head as the Center of which everything Rotated. ??
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