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Old 10-19-2009, 07:39 PM
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O.B.,

When you say "Active" Uncocking for a Swinger are you refering to Centrifugal Force alone doing the Uncocking or and active use of the muscles in the Left Wrist?

The latter, an active uncocking of the Left Wrist when its turned to the Plane in Downstroke. This is not to say that CF isnt employed it is, this is additive. I got this from this video right here on the world wide web.



I hit a lot of balls with just my right arm on the club. My left couldnt do anything on its own until the day I employed Lynns hammering with a left arm only swing. And blammo. I used to pull the left arm and it didnt work worth a hill of beans one armed. But actively uncocking #2 puts some sting on the thing one armed or two.

I had thought it to be a 10-20-E Wrist Throw. Release Trigger. But Homer doesnt mention the active uncocking that Lynn demonstrates in my 6th anyways. Otherwise it sure sounds like it.

For me this versus the Right Arm Throw is the difference between Swinging and Hitting. Mind you I go back and forth a fair bit. My last game I was Hitting my drives, swinging my irons and Hitting my putts. I need an intervention of some kind maybe.

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Old 10-21-2009, 12:42 AM
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Differentiating Non-Auto and Auto Releases
Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post

The latter, an active uncocking of the Left Wrist when its turned to the Plane in Downstroke. This is not to say that CF isnt employed it is, this is additive. I got this from this video right here on the world wide web.



I hit a lot of balls with just my right arm on the club. My left couldnt do anything on its own until the day I employed Lynns hammering with a left arm only swing. And blammo. I used to pull the left arm and it didnt work worth a hill of beans one armed. But actively uncocking #2 puts some sting on the thing one armed or two.

I had thought it to be a 10-20-E Wrist Throw. Release Trigger. But Homer doesnt mention the active uncocking that Lynn demonstrates in my 6th anyways. Otherwise it sure sounds like it.
The Left Wrist Throw Trigger (10-20-E) can be either Automatic or Non-Automatic ("active" in your terminology). This is true for both Sweep Releases (10-24-B/C) and Snap Releases (10-24-D/E). Study 7-24.

Non-Automatic Releases are triggered by deliberate mechanical manipulation. In other words, the player consciously ("actively") initiates the action. In contrast, the Automatic Releases are triggered by driving the Hands through the selected Release Point (10-24-0) -- normally via the Aiming Point procedure (6-E-2) -- as if there was to be no Release at all (10-24-E).

So, the difference between the two is that there is no "starting to hit" (6-H-0/B) when using an Automatic Release (Sweep or Snap).

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Old 10-21-2009, 10:30 AM
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So, the difference between the two is that there is no "starting to hit" (6-H-0/B) when using an Automatic Release (Sweep or Snap).



My 6th reads;

6-H-O IMPARATIVES

B. Avoid "Starting to Hit" when using a Snap Release (6-N-0).

Although there is a note in the margin from a luncheon session with Lynn where he advised me to add "Automatic" in front of the Snap Release.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:40 AM
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Along the lines of where things are found in the book, I am curious as to why the grip is placed in the arms lane rather than hands lane? I'm sure there is a logical explanation, hearing it may help me remember where to look in the future.

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Old 10-21-2009, 07:11 PM
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Along the lines of where things are found in the book, I am curious as to why the grip is placed in the arms lane rather than hands lane? I'm sure there is a logical explanation, hearing it may help me remember where to look in the future.

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Zone 2 is the power package- composed of the arms(Accum.1&4) and the hands (Accum.2&3). Of course, there may appear to be overlap and so instead of getting items in a nice little box- sometimes you have to realize the context in regards to the discussion. Certainly the position of the hands have the ability to greatly affect "ball control". It's early in the season for your brain to freeze Kevin
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Zone 2 is the power package- composed of the arms(Accum.1&4) and the hands (Accum.2&3). Of course, there may appear to be overlap and so instead of getting items in a nice little box- sometimes you have to realize the context in regards to the discussion. Certainly the position of the hands have the ability to greatly affect "ball control". It's early in the season for your brain to freeze Kevin
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:41 AM
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My 6th reads;

6-H-O IMPARATIVES
This printer's typograhpical error (Imparatives versus Imperativies) occurred in the first printing of the 6th edition. It did not exist in its five predecessors and was corrected in subsequent printings of the 6th.

All this was rendered moot with the publication of the 7th edition and the new title for 6-H-0; namely, Curriculum. Indeed, this title is more fitting, as the journey from the 1st edition to the 6th took its toll on the original presentation.

In the first three editions, the 6-H-0 Imperatives were simply "the three most troublesome features to master." However, in the 3rd edition, these three Imperatives were further described as "Hand Imperatives". No doubt, this was to differentiate them (as a group) from the five "Basic Imperatives" introduced in 2-0 of the 2nd edition (and later expanded into the Three Basic Essentials and Three Basic Imperatives of the 4th and subsequent editions).

Then, beginning with the 4th edition, things took a real turn: Homer Kelley began to use 6-H-0 as a "curriculum" for learning Educated Hands, and he deemed that curriculum "imperative". He maintained the original three Hand Imperatives, but stated them in different words and in a different order. Plus, he added two more items to the list.

The most dramatic change, however, was his use of 6-H-0 to differentiate Hitting and Swinging. Here, he began with six points in the 4th and 5th editions and expanded it to ten in the 6th. The posthumous 7th edition retains those ten items, but now characterizes the curriculum as "indispensable".

Thus, the final references to "imperatives" and "imperative" have been removed from 6-H-0, and the Three Basic Imperatives of 2-0 stand alone.

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"in the first three editions, the 6-H-0 Imperatives were simply "the three most troublesome features to master.""
It would be nice for perspective, if you would identify the three most troublesome.

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It would be nice for perspective, if you would identify the three most troublesome.
A. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST UNINTENTIONAL CHANGE OF PRESSURE POINT PRESSURE;

B. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST MOVE TO PREPARE TO SWING THE CLUB FROM THE WRIST;

C. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST PREPARATION TO BRING THE HANDS TO A STOP.

(Unless, of course, the Stroke Pattern specifically rules otherwise.)
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:06 PM
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A. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST UNINTENTIONAL CHANGE OF PRESSURE POINT PRESSURE;

B. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST MOVE TO PREPARE TO SWING THE CLUB FROM THE WRIST;

C. ALLOW NOT THE SLIGHTEST PREPARATION TO BRING THE HANDS TO A STOP.

(Unless, of course, the Stroke Pattern specifically rules otherwise.)

WHY DID HE EVER CHANGE IT?
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