When you say "Active" Uncocking for a Swinger are you refering to Centrifugal Force alone doing the Uncocking or and active use of the muscles in the Left Wrist?
He cannot earn a Fifth Yoda because he refuses to separate Zone 1 and 2 from Zone 3.
He cannot earn a Fifth Yoda because he refuses to separate Zone 1 and 2 from Zone 3.
Dude its implied.
For the Swinger or Hitter, CF via the Pivot, Zone 1. For the Swinger the Left Wrist Throw, Zone 3, Hands. For the Hitter, the Right Arm Throw, Zone 2, Arms. Both Swinger and Hitter employing a Hinge Action, Zone 3, Hands, specifically the left hand for Club Face Control.
Wait a minute given the Hinge of Hinge Action is mounted in the Left Arm where it meets the Shoulder........does that make Hinge Action a Zone 2 deal actually? .................never thought about it. Its Zone 2 controlled in that while the Left Wrist maintains a relationship to one of the three Basic Planes it is really the mounting of the Hinge Pin at the top of the left arm that dictates the appropriate movement of the entire left arm. Hinge Action being an entire left arm deal as opposed to forearm turn , swivel deal. Nah the Arms are power the hands are direction. Forget it.
I must be going insane. I can actually picture Homers geometry. What next, I start understanding Daryls posts? Somebody help me, please.
For a Swinger, Hinge Action should be viewed as Zone 3.
For Hitting, Hinge Action should be viewed as Zone 2.
Can you point me to the section in the book where this is discussed?
There is no doubt that the Hinge Action is a product of the physics associated with the stroke being used, the elbow position, the Throw etc but Clubface Control is ideally left to the Pressure Points in the Hands, no?
Can you point me to the section in the book where this is discussed?
There is no doubt that the Hinge Action is a product of the physics associated with the stroke being used, the elbow position, the Throw etc but Clubface Control is ideally left to the Pressure Points in the Hands, no?
I can...
Zip between the 6th and 7th Editions and you can pretty much make up anything you want as far as hinge action being in #2 or #3.
Kevin
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Zip between the 6th and 7th Editions and you can pretty much make up anything you want as far as hinge action being in #2 or #3.
Kevin
Hmm? A Skeptic.
Homers Notes:
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Hand Action controls Hinge Action. Rhythm is the basis of Hinge Action.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
He does not mean Hand Action intentionally executed during Impact (Hacking like Kevin). He means the Hand Action you bring into Impact derived from Elbow Location which determines release motions.
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Homers Notes:
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Differences in Hinge feel -- Horizontal -- roll, Angled -- no roll, Vertical -- reverse roll. Wrist Action -- happens prior to Release. Hinge Action -- happens during Impact. Swivel Action -- happens between the two.
It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
He does not mean Hand Action intentionally executed during Impact (Hacking like Kevin). He means the Hand Action you bring into Impact derived from Elbow Location which determines release motions.
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Homers Notes:
Daryl,
I apologize, no disrespect intended. My post was not a shot at you or your post, it was merely a commentary on the 7th Edition. I honestly have not decided what to think of your idea of seperating the two. Still a little too advanced for me, my incubator is in overdrive...
Kevin
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It's because of this insight (Release Motion) that Homer moved Hinge Action to Zone 3.
In the first six editions, Homer Kelley placed Hinge Action in Zone 3 (Ball Control: Hands/Direction/Purpose). During his lifetime, it was always there. Twenty-three years after Homer's death, it was Joe Daniels, the owner of TGM and the sole editor of the 7th edition, who moved Hinge Action to Zone 2 (Club Control: Arms/Force/Power).
His justification was that the migration was Homer's intent. Well, perhaps it was. I wrote a post (shortly after publication of the 7th edition) that explained how such a dramatic shift in Zones could be justified for Horizontal and Angled Hinging (but not for Vertical Hinging). But, as I stated then, even that argument was a stretch, because Zone 3 was (and is) the "Hands Lane" wherein "the alignment of the Clubface through Impact" is a critical component.
And should we really kick the Flat Left Wrist and its Clubface Control (1-L/C per 1-L #3 and 7-10) out of the Hands Zone? Adding to the confusion is this new line in the 7th edition's introduction to Zone 2 (9-2): "Zone #2 is the Clubhead and NOT the Clubface (Zone #3) activity." [All emphasis Homer's.]
Obviously, whether Homer intended to make the change or not, such a seismic shift in one of TGM's three major concepts required that much conflicting text be revised. But, Homer didn't make those very necessary and painfully obvious revisions, and he was a fanatic when it came to the 'ripple effect' of a proposed change (which, to my mind, signaled his true intention). Unfortunately -- or fortunately, take your pick -- neither did Joe.
So, what to do?
Simple . . .
If you've got the first six editions, do nothing.
If you've got the 7th, go to 9-2 (page 125), take a pen and line through "#10 Hinge Action" as a listed Zone #2 Component. Then, go to 9-3 (page 131) and add that same Component to Zone #3.
There now, don't you feel better? Humpty Dumpty is all back together again: Six Components in Zone #1; twelve Components in Zone #2; and six Components in Zone #3. All with no conflicting concepts or text to worry about.
Left Wrist Feel Determines Hinge Action -- Or Vice Versa
Originally Posted by Daryl
So,where you should feel the Hinge depends on Hitting or Swinging.
We don't need the books to know that Hitters using Angle Hinging have a Right Hand Paddle wheel Motion; no independent Hand Motion through the Ball. With Zero Hand Action (no Roll), feel the Primary Lever in Rhythm while being Driven to, through and after Low-Point. Swingers, Swivel the Hands (Secondary Lever) into the Hinge - and Feel the Hinge in the Hands.
Both Hitter and Swinger use Educated Hands to sense and manipulate their respective Hinge Actions (Clubface Control) and Rhythm (in-line #3 Accumulator Clubhead Travel per 2-G).
Specifically, each learns to control the alignment of the Clubface (1-L #4) and the Rhythm of the orbiting Lever Assemblies (1-L #8 ) through the Feel of Roll, No Roll or Reverse Roll.
They accomplish this artform by maintaining the Flat Left Wrist vertical to one of the Three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical) through Impact.
For a Swinger, Hinge Action should be viewed as Zone 3.
For Hitting, Hinge Action should be viewed as Zone 2.
The term Ball Control is one of the four interchangeable terms use to characterize Zone 3.
Further, Chapter 9-0 from the 4th edition on (including the 7th) specifically states that Hinge Action and its resulting Clubface Motion -- Close Only; Layback Only; or, Simultaneous Closing and Layback -- IS Ball Control.
Finally, just in case we missed it, Homer Kelley also labeled Hinge Action in the large, bold, capitalized and italicized subtitle of the Hinge Action Variations (10-10-A/E) -- again, from the 4th edition to the 7th -- as BALL CONTROL.
Thus, for almost forty years and through six meticulously-edited editions, Zone 3/Ball Control was Hinge Action's happy domicile.
The posthumous placement of the Hinge Action component into Zone 2 (by the owner and editor of the 7th edition) introduces a serious inconsistency into a great work. And a 'dual placement' suggestion serves only to muddy the waters further.
Hybrid Mode
