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Old 11-05-2009, 11:14 AM
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the transition between frames 6,7 and 8 has always interested me...John Schlee ( a weekend clinic a long time ago) told me that the left knee moving laterally down the target line was a conscious move...TGM I believe teaches that it is a reaction to the supporting of the hip slide. Comments/help.... 12pb?
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:24 AM
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the transition between frames 6,7 and 8 has always interested me...John Schlee ( a weekend clinic a long time ago) told me that the left knee moving laterally down the target line was a conscious move...TGM I believe teaches that it is a reaction to the supporting of the hip slide. Comments/help.... 12pb?
I would agree, for Hogan it sure does appear to be a conscious move. A very useful one IMO.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:01 PM
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Id agree with that too EdZ, Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn.

Ive always wondered about this particular swing. Do you think it was his long bomb, super high trajectory swing for the camera. He seems to be tilting back for than norma and giving it ride. I know he did long drive exhibitions maybe this was the swing he employed? Not a tournament swing I dont think.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:58 PM
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Was it a pre-accident swing?
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:01 AM
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Id agree with that too EdZ, Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn.

Ive always wondered about this particular swing. Do you think it was his long bomb, super high trajectory swing for the camera. He seems to be tilting back for than norma and giving it ride. I know he did long drive exhibitions maybe this was the swing he employed? Not a tournament swing I dont think.
This is without question more of "slasher" type hogan swing than others . . . HOWEVER . . . those principles were there ALWAYS . . maybe more nuanced . . . but there . . . check these out . . .



You can see Eldrick and Hogan in similar alignments HOWEVER . . . check the right shoulder location . . . which right shoulder is fulfilling a true down out and forward motion? Who's clubface is going to move about the sweet spot faster?



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Old 11-06-2009, 01:18 AM
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Maybe more in the new action?
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:09 AM
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For sure 12 Piece. I love that move.

In regard to this particular swing I wonder whether it is an insight into his machine adjustments for an extreme "special purposes" type situation. Hogan going John Daly for the camera. I think this swing from his late forties shot making demonstration at Augusta, not a tournament or a practice session even. He seems to be hanging back to me more than normal, if you watch the entire swing he backs out of the shot actually. My guess is that he was, in our terms, moving his left shoulder back vis a vis the ball to add some height to the trajectory in addition to really swinging hard it. A Remax Long Drive type swing deal. Nothing is new I guess. He is sacrificing balance (very, very rare for him) for launch angle and distance. I only mention this because while its a very interesting swing from a power move perspective and machine adjustment perspective, it isnt I dont think representative of his swing pre accident, Power Golf , or his tournament swing from that era or anything. Not exactly.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
For sure 12 Piece. I love that move.

In regard to this particular swing I wonder whether it is an insight into his machine adjustments for an extreme "special purposes" type situation. Hogan going John Daly for the camera. I think this swing from his late forties shot making demonstration at Augusta, not a tournament or a practice session even. He seems to be hanging back to me more than normal, if you watch the entire swing he backs out of the shot actually. My guess is that he was, in our terms, moving his left shoulder back vis a vis the ball to add some height to the trajectory in addition to really swinging hard it. A Remax Long Drive type swing deal. Nothing is new I guess. He is sacrificing balance (very, very rare for him) for launch angle and distance. I only mention this because while its a very interesting swing from a power move perspective and machine adjustment perspective, it isnt I dont think representative of his swing pre accident, Power Golf , or his tournament swing from that era or anything. Not exactly.

Could be . . . however I have seen Hogan make some "fall back" looking swings. I think there were times that he tried to beat on it with the driver. I mean if you look at the footage in the Shell match . . . the driver swings look considerably more long and slashy . . . even in power golf you can see the difference in the iron swings vs. driver swings in the amount of arm swing he has.

that being said . . . you can ALWAYS see that use the ground principle with Hogan.
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Old 11-07-2009, 03:53 PM
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Maybe more in the new action?

Interesting. Tiger did say something to the effect that his repaired left knee will allow him to do some things he couldnt previously. Could he be referring to a Hoganesque pivot around his left leg courtesy of a Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn? Cant get stuck from there.

If you pull the first two pics of Tiger off to your desktop you can click on them and turn them into a little animation that shows his Hip Slide nicely. The left knee has to go with it, anticipate it even but Im thinking while training this move its a Hip thing not a Knee thing for the brain. Tigers got a little Float Load there even which may be related. I try to float load and can struggle with it if my Hips arent sliding, or so I find.

Im guessing neither of these guys ever heard of the Angle of Approach so it'd be a Slide parallel to the Target Line most likely. The Left Knee doing the same.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125762338 1
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Interesting. Tiger did say something to the effect that his repaired left knee will allow him to do some things he couldnt previously. Could he be referring to a Hoganesque pivot around his left leg courtesy of a Hip Slide with a Delayed Turn? Cant get stuck from there.

If you pull the first two pics of Tiger off to your desktop you can click on them and turn them into a little animation that shows his Hip Slide nicely. The left knee has to go with it, anticipate it even but Im thinking while training this move its a Hip thing not a Knee thing for the brain. Tigers got a little Float Load there even which may be related. I try to float load and can struggle with it if my Hips arent sliding, or so I find.

Im guessing neither of these guys ever heard of the Angle of Approach so it'd be a Slide parallel to the Target Line most likely. The Left Knee doing the same.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=125762338 1


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