If you do both well it probably won't make too much of a difference. But I believe the two differs in their most typical less-than-perfect ball striking. After reading chapter 2 a few years ago and really understanding the issue of ball compression, and reflekting upon the typical weak spots on my long game I converted to a swinger. Don't know whether I was a swinger or a "switter" before but there certainly was more drive loading, compression leak and a figting with clubhead throwavay involved. It truly was a high-maintainance stroke pattern. Of course since I converted to TGM the stroke is solid at all times.
Swinging is more geared towards pivot driven loading action and automatic release. And horizontal hinging. All of these will support more reliable distance on full shots. With an automatic trigger etc it can be almost like an on/off button and you get very similar distance each time. But the other side of the coin is that it can be more difficult to take off a few yards in a controlled manner. And to control direction.
Hitting to me means less distance reliability on full strokes. But better direction control. Hitting is less automatic and in many ways more manually controllable than swinging in this regard. That makes it just easier to take off a few yards when it is called for. If you master the stroke. Something I don't consistently do on the total motion.
You can have some of the hitting "advantages" in the swinging stroke too - and you should if you aim for swinging. It is related to extensior action and proper application of pp#1 and pp# 3 pressure (right hand pressure) at the right times. Powered by the pivot and fine-tuned by the hands.
Whether hitting or swinging I find that right side participation is very important to achieve any finesse and shot making ability in the game. And absolutely vital for distance and trajectory control in the short game.
Some great replies already. Hitting and swinging is going to be a fairly even split here, I believe.
My issue with swinging is trust. You have to let the CF happen, if you don't trust it, and "flinch" you will lose it in a hurry. I learned from personal experience with a bad case of the driver yips. A conversion to "Hitting" and the Magic of the Right Forearm saved my bacon.
You will read on some forums that there is no such thing as hitting and swinging. BS! It is a very real "FEEL" to most of us who study it.
Here is the best advise from YODA and Homer Kelley:
If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then Homer Kelley would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting Homer, "Do whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
and
Alignment Golf simply smothers Position Golf, so translate your “Position Procedures” into “Alignment Procedures” as fast as you are able to do so. Alignments in motion produce feel.
Finally
THE SECRET OF GOLF IS NOT A POSITION IT’S A PRESSURE!
Kevin
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i am doing basic motion 10days now.i hit an average 500balls over the day into a net and i must admit the motion becomes second nature once you understand and familiarise yourself with the movement.my background comes from track and field and i spent years in UH texas under the guidace of tom tellez.he had us doing specific movements and i think this is why i'm grasping these movements of TGM so easily but with aot of hard work.
from my short time of practice using TGM personally i find hitting during the basic motion far superior. WHY? because i know and most importantly feel the positions while hitting.i can feel and hear the compression and crispness of the stike and also i can feel the FLW.the hitting motion is very very similiar to a karate move which i have firmly place in my subconsious mind.
last but not least on the AL dvd lynn demonstrated a drill by simply using your right arm to move your left.i think its called "the magic right forearm" and he also showed a fuller version on VJ which both are superb.
for me i'm definitley pointing to hitting because of the feel aspect of the movement
i can feel the FLW.the hitting motion is very very similiar to a karate move which i have firmly place in my subconsious mind.
Is this a right armed thrust as if at a guys nose with the right hand bent back? That is something I think about in regard to Push Basic.
This holding of the right wist in its impact fix degree of bend while straightening the right arm (in one manner or another) is "golfs unique move" according to Homer. A movement not commonly found in other sports and of critical importance to a swinger or hitter, something that needs to be trained and ingrained.
I too think that in Basic Motion getting to both arms straight, Follow Through, with the Right Hand still bent in its prescribed Fix degree of bend (which depends on ball placement and shot at hand) leads to fantastic compression. I found it easier to do while Hitting as well but everyone is different.
Is this a right armed thrust as if at a guys nose with the right hand bent back? That is something I think about in regard to Push Basic.
This holding of the right wist in its impact fix degree of bend while straightening the right arm (in one manner or another) is "golfs unique move" according to Homer. A movement not commonly found in other sports and of critical importance to a swinger or hitter, something that needs to be trained and ingrained.
I too think that in Basic Motion getting to both arms straight, Follow Through, with the Right Hand still bent in its prescribed Fix degree of bend (which depends on ball placement and shot at hand) leads to fantastic compression. I found it easier to do while Hitting as well but everyone is different.
OB correct.....we are on the same wavelenght here.
i am getting great answers here and alot of help but i have one more question which i feel is also very important
Q-as i am still in basic motion its a short movement but my query is in regards to taking the club to top with the right forearm.......do all TGM students take or are thought to take it back the same way whether you are hitting or swinging during total motion??
the reason i am asking this is because very shortly i think ill be doing acquired motion(maybe after the new year) and its something i want to understand
OB correct.....we are on the same wavelenght here.
i am getting great answers here and alot of help but i have one more question which i feel is also very important
Q-as i am still in basic motion its a short movement but my query is in regards to taking the club to top with the right forearm.......do all TGM students take or are thought to take it back the same way whether you are hitting or swinging during total motion??
the reason i am asking this is because very shortly i think ill be doing acquired motion(maybe after the new year) and its something i want to understand
I'm not sure about all TGM students, but I think they should. I KNOW all Lynn Blake students do!
Kevin
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I don't think there are any real pros and cons across the board.
I can do everything with the ball swinging that I can do with hitting and vice versa.
I choose hitting because it's something I can do the most consistently and I control the clubface the best using a hitting procedure.
However, for others it's quite the opposite.
Some will say that swinging can hit the ball further, I completely disagree with that. Kenny Perry is a hitter. And from looking at Alvaro Quiros' swing sequence, I think he's a hitter as well.
Some say hitting is more accurate. Moe Norman was the most accurate golfer of all time and was clearly a swinger in my book.
I think whether you hit or swing the best is just something that probably has to do with your brain and how you were brought into learning the game.
In other words, just focus on what works best for you instead of compiling a list of perceived pros and cons and choosing what procedure to use from that. I think Homer would've wanted it that way.
OB correct.....we are on the same wavelenght here.
i am getting great answers here and alot of help but i have one more question which i feel is also very important
Q-as i am still in basic motion its a short movement but my query is in regards to taking the club to top with the right forearm.......do all TGM students take or are thought to take it back the same way whether you are hitting or swinging during total motion??
the reason i am asking this is because very shortly i think ill be doing acquired motion(maybe after the new year) and its something i want to understand
Yes Id agree with Kev. Swinging or Hitting we take it back with the same RFT, fanning and bending. The left wrist action will be different for some.
But the important thing is that if you are doing Push Basic Hitting as you move to fuller shots you cant use that sort of push basic type takeaway, linear, elbow sawing or whatever. Its ok for short shots if that is what you are doing but not for longer shots. That was news to me a little while back.
Yes Id agree with Kev. Swinging or Hitting we take it back with the same RFT, fanning and bending. The left wrist action will be different for some.
But the important thing is that if you are doing Push Basic Hitting as you move to fuller shots you cant use that sort of push basic type takeaway, linear, elbow sawing or whatever. Its ok for short shots if that is what you are doing but not for longer shots. That was news to me a little while back.
Wait a minute, Ive been thinking about this some. If you employ Standard Wrist Action your Right Elbow will be in a different place than it would be for Single Wrist Action. Meaning that Swingers and Hitters have a different Right Elbow position going back (as they do going down) despite the similarities in the RFT, fanning and bending motion.
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