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[gmbtempe]

So Daryl for the uneducated TGM student...picture left shows a shift from the elbow plane to the turned shoulder plane....picture right shows zero shift to the shoulder plane?

[KevCarter]

So Daryl for the uneducated TGM student...picture left shows a shift from the elbow plane to the turned shoulder plane....picture right shows zero shift to the shoulder plane?

One of my favorites from Daryl.

Pivot controlled hands
vs.
Hands controlled pivot with extensor action takeaway

Kevin

[Mike O]

OB,

1) I was serious when I asked what "A" was - as I'm not sure and didn't want to guess- and I wanted to make sure we started on the right track and didn't want to back track.
2) I've answered this before - but let's first make sure that we communicate your question clearly. You can't understand how a flat left wrist uncocking when the flat left wrist is not on plane- can create an on plane motion or said a different way - how the uncocking of an off-plane motion of the left wrist wouldn't create an off plane motion? Please confirm if I have the question correct before I answer it.
3) I had a good post for Daryl- but at the last second retracted it- Darn it! How boring!

[12 piece bucket]

OB,

1) I was serious when I asked what "A" was - as I'm not sure and didn't want to guess- and I wanted to make sure we started on the right track and didn't want to back track.
2) I've answered this before - but let's first make sure that we communicate your question clearly. You can't understand how a flat left wrist uncocking when the flat left wrist is not on plane- can create an on plane motion or said a different way - how the uncocking of an off-plane motion of the left wrist wouldn't create an off plane motion? Please confirm if I have the question correct before I answer it.
3) I had a good post for Daryl- but at the last second retracted it- Darn it! How boring!

Somebody's obviously run out of peanut butter and Pond's.

[Mike O]

This thread has now attraced OB, Daryl, Bucket, KevCarter, gmb- I think that's a drug - run for you life! Hide your kids!

[O.B.Left]

OB,

1) I was serious when I asked what "A" was - as I'm not sure and didn't want to guess- and I wanted to make sure we started on the right track and didn't want to back track.
2) I've answered this before - but let's first make sure that we communicate your question clearly. You can't understand how a flat left wrist uncocking when the flat left wrist is not on plane- can create an on plane motion or said a different way - how the uncocking of an off-plane motion of the left wrist wouldn't create an off plane motion? Please confirm if I have the question correct before I answer it.
3) I had a good post for Daryl- but at the last second retracted it- Darn it! How boring!

Thanks Mike.

Ill take number 2 for $100 LBG dollars please.

"Given that the Plane of LAFW is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and given that all Left Hand Motion is Perpendicular only (except for Double Cocking maybe?), how can the Left Wrist, cock and uncock along the Inclined Plane when the Left Arm is not itself on the Inclined Plane? "

Im thinking there are some considerations for grip type since the Plane of LAFW is said to run along the back of the left hand. But my head hurts.

[Mike O]

OK - Good, Bad and Ugly.

Good: You clarified your question.

Bad: you complicated it by bringing in a few variables- but that's OK.

Ugly- I'm not moving forward until you label LAFW - as I was serious, serious, serious that I don't understand what it stands for. And I don't do LBG for $100 until you do Bucket for $50.

[O.B.Left]

OK - Good, Bad and Ugly.

Good: You clarified your question.

Bad: you complicated it by bringing in a few variables- but that's OK.

Ugly- I'm not moving forward until you label LAFW - as I was serious, serious, serious that I don't understand what it stands for. And I don't do LBG for $100 until you do Bucket for $50.

We can use your proposed question if you want, thats ok, but it may come back here anyways, dont know. You pick, your question or mine.

By LAFW, I mean the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and Uncock Motion. That is that the entire left arm the clubshaft and the back of the left hand lay flat against a plane at all times except for adjusted address or similar. A plane which is 90 degrees to the plane of the right wrist bend, the RAFW. I probably screwed it up worse now, use your question, assume a flat left wrist or whatever!

I personally think that with wrist cocking comes a little "natural" left wrist bending and the plane of wrist cock and uncock is along the Inclined Plane. This is a non Double Cocked deal I think. But its something I wonder about so thanks for offering to help. Sometimes I do Double Cock, Bend and Arch but Im not a true swinger so...........more confusion.

Oh hey can you lend me a $50? Is that a supply or demand side inflationary trend? Cant be demand! Is Bucket sick or something?

[Mike O]

Actually, about 8:30AM this morning as I was driving to work - your abbreviation came to me "Left Arm Flying Wedge" - I was thinking you were describing/talking about the wrist condition and was thinking along the lines of Flat Left Wrist and couldn't figure out what the "A" was for.

[Mike O]

[quote=O.B.Left;70115]
"Given that the Plane of LAFW is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and given that all Left Hand Motion is Perpendicular only (except for Double Cocking maybe?), how can the Left Wrist, cock and uncock along the Inclined Plane when the Left Arm is not itself on the Inclined Plane? "QUOTE]

A few ways to look at this - let's start with just one perspective:
Take a left hand grip only with your club, dowel, pencil - anything that would represent your club and position your hand so that you are hip high on the backswing- your hand on the plane and your left shoulder completely above the plane i.e. a normal golf motion. If you don't have the shaft already on plane you can get the clubshaft on plane by merely rotating the forearm without moving the location of the hand.

The only way you'll be confused by the above is if you have the wrong idea of "perpendicular only" - if the above doesn't make sense then please define what you mean by "perpendicular only" because it doesn't meant perpendicular to the ground at any location.