Great stuff Drew! I have been mulling over posture-related stuff recently. I think I straighten my spine on the downstroke as a compensation for a spine angle that is too steep to begin with. Rereading Hogan's Five Modern Fundamentals I was taken back by the method hogan used to organize himself at address.
1. Stand erect.
2. Lower arms
3. Flex knees while keeping the spine erect
4. Bow head from the neck without hunching the shoulders.
The spine angle in his case is created by the out of line condition that exists between a straight spine and flexed knees.
Between the straight spine and flexed knees you cannot help but have a flat shoulder and hip turn, right? My point is that perhaps I am better served with a more "upright" torso posture as opposed to increasing the bend coming down?
On the pics of Hogan the degree of waistbend from a 7 iron to a driver is negligible. Not something I notices before. The amount of knee bend (obscured by tailored pants) and neck bend is what makes it look different at first glance. A lot of tour types stand tall.
if you put of pics of Hogan at the top . . . . I'd submit that you'll find different numbers . . . . adds waist bend . . . I think.
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Is it waist bend, or knee bend? I agree that increasing waistbend is better than standing up through the ball. But my twisted logic is that being too bent over tends to promote coming out of your spine angle, especially if you are on a flatter plane.
Is it waist bend, or knee bend? I agree that increasing waistbend is better than standing up through the ball. But my twisted logic is that being too bent over tends to promote coming out of your spine angle, especially if you are on a flatter plane.
Maybe . . . but there's probably some range of motion stuff in that equation as well. Optimal "out of line" angles that go to in line more pivot train . . . . that being said I'm sure there are economies of scale there too.
And now from the what I'm thinking about these days is relevant to everything file...
Buck, Okie et all, those first two photos of Hogan and Lee Buck..................I see a ton of loading at the #4 pp, 4 being the Master Accumulator, "the Rotor is the motor" (just made that up) and would you agree that 6M1 is a turning thing?........... That makes the ball flight sing......bound by wild desire............I fell in to a ring of fire.........
OK the nurse just came by with the meds and they're kick'n in hard but stick with me here while Im still lucid ish........Trevino is a hitter in most peoples books BUT he's got a whole lot of turn'n goin on. Like, goodaness gracious......
And see how he takes that right shoulder "to the end of the road". Hitters with pivot stalls.... my aunt Fanny!
Buck, Okie et all, those first two photos of Hogan and Lee Buck..................I see a ton of loading at the #4 pp, 4 being the Master Accumulator, "the Rotor is the motor" (just made that up) and would you agree that 6M1 is a turning thing?........... That makes the ball flight sing......bound by wild desire............I fell in to a ring of fire.........
OK the nurse just came by with the meds and they're kick'n in hard but stick with me here while Im still lucid ish........Trevino is a hitter in most peoples books and he's got a whole lot of turn'n goin on. Like, goodaness gracious......
And see how he takes that right shoulder "to the end of the road". Hitters with pivot stalls.... my aunt Fanny!
Skooter . . . I would agree to a point on the "whole lotta turnin' goin' on" . . . but the point is WHEN WHEN WHEN does it go on?
If you look at the first to pics . . . I would submit to you that it AIN'T going on a whole lot relatively at that point. At that point you is seeing a WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE LOTTA SLIDIN' GOING ON. The shoulders are closed . . . reference the position of the left arm in relation to the "stance line" . . . that arm ain't in line with (covering) the stance line at that point. Now . . . also consider that Lee Buck plays from an OPEN stance too . . . so that's a double or triple does of "arm in". These two cats slide forward better'n anybody to ever lace 'em up. Now . . . do they turn and turn and turn a bunch . . . yes sir . . . but it's LATE.
ON THE LINE . . . . .
IN SIDE THE LINE . . . .
Within the components what do you see that would cause the difference in the position of the left arm?
The other thing I'd draw attention in those first to pics is the FACE . . . OPEN FACE vs. SHUT FACE.
The 3rd set . . . look at Mr. Hogan's face . . . see how it AIN'T CROSSED OVER??? . . . . two of the most ak-uuuuur-it to set it on a peg . . . and their club face is huuuuush husssssssh husssssh quiet . . . . hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I think Trevino had loads of waist bend. I have learned more from Lee Buck than anyone.
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