And now from the what I'm thinking about these days is relevant to everything file...
Buck, Okie et all, those first two photos of Hogan and Lee Buck..................I see a ton of loading at the #4 pp, 4 being the Master Accumulator, "the Rotor is the motor" (just made that up) and would you agree that 6M1 is a turning thing?........... That makes the ball flight sing......bound by wild desire............I fell in to a ring of fire.........
OK the nurse just came by with the meds and they're kick'n in hard but stick with me here while Im still lucid ish........Trevino is a hitter in most peoples books BUT he's got a whole lot of turn'n goin on. Like, goodaness gracious......
And see how he takes that right shoulder "to the end of the road". Hitters with pivot stalls.... my aunt Fanny!
Buck, Okie et all, those first two photos of Hogan and Lee Buck..................I see a ton of loading at the #4 pp, 4 being the Master Accumulator, "the Rotor is the motor" (just made that up) and would you agree that 6M1 is a turning thing?........... That makes the ball flight sing......bound by wild desire............I fell in to a ring of fire.........
OK the nurse just came by with the meds and they're kick'n in hard but stick with me here while Im still lucid ish........Trevino is a hitter in most peoples books and he's got a whole lot of turn'n goin on. Like, goodaness gracious......
And see how he takes that right shoulder "to the end of the road". Hitters with pivot stalls.... my aunt Fanny!
Skooter . . . I would agree to a point on the "whole lotta turnin' goin' on" . . . but the point is WHEN WHEN WHEN does it go on?
If you look at the first to pics . . . I would submit to you that it AIN'T going on a whole lot relatively at that point. At that point you is seeing a WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE LOTTA SLIDIN' GOING ON. The shoulders are closed . . . reference the position of the left arm in relation to the "stance line" . . . that arm ain't in line with (covering) the stance line at that point. Now . . . also consider that Lee Buck plays from an OPEN stance too . . . so that's a double or triple does of "arm in". These two cats slide forward better'n anybody to ever lace 'em up. Now . . . do they turn and turn and turn a bunch . . . yes sir . . . but it's LATE.
ON THE LINE . . . . .
IN SIDE THE LINE . . . .
Within the components what do you see that would cause the difference in the position of the left arm?
The other thing I'd draw attention in those first to pics is the FACE . . . OPEN FACE vs. SHUT FACE.
The 3rd set . . . look at Mr. Hogan's face . . . see how it AIN'T CROSSED OVER??? . . . . two of the most ak-uuuuur-it to set it on a peg . . . and their club face is huuuuush husssssssh husssssh quiet . . . . hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Within the components what do you see that would cause the difference in the position of the left arm?
The other thing I'd draw attention in those first to pics is the FACE . . . OPEN FACE vs. SHUT FACE.
The 3rd set . . . look at Mr. Hogan's face . . . see how it AIN'T CROSSED OVER??? . . . . two of the most ak-uuuuur-it to set it on a peg . . . and their club face is huuuuush husssssssh husssssh quiet . . . . hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Buck, agreed.......Slide with a Delayed Turn. Its a magic move for me but some times I get slidin and just keep on go'n. Slide with a Delayed Turn yes but for crying out loud by all means Turn and hard.
Im working on the Pivot Stall by turning the left foot out some Hogan style and some secret elxirs I got while at the swamp and in St Simons Island Georgia. For me the stall and the goat hump all relate to hitting off of mats during the winter I think but thats another story. Here's a photo of some work Im doin in the backyard. Told my wife I was goin out to shovel some snow...........with a two iron. No ball there but Im getting to look more like that when confronted by the ball. I realize Im being a bit like the girl who posts only her absolute best photos to her facebook page here. Only an hour or so of photoshop work there, nothing too drastic. I hate my thighs.
A recent revelation from LUke, in regard to Rear End (did Homer use caps for this component?).... Plane Line encroachment ("R.E.P.L.E") is that in the absence of Turning, the weight sometimes remains over the Ball of the Left Foot or worse still the toes. If you then try to Pivot over the Ball instead of the weighted Heal.........R,E,P,L,E.............like Tammy Wynett is singing it, Brosuph. Think about it from a birdseye perspective. Specially if you are Sliding along the alternate plane line or a 10-5-E or an Angle of Approach. Sorry I know this is a Swingers Startdown thread but Im multi tasking for the Hitting impaired.
There, in those circumstances anywyas, the goat hump is a foot balance point thing that works its way up the 6M1 pathway, if you will? You Slide, weight moves from right heal to left ball, the c.o.g. moves towards the target line, then the Hips instead of turning and pulling the weight to the heal stall, stop rotating and the dang c.o.g. remains over the balls of the left foot (or toes if you're drifting), in the downstroke the brain senses the sweetspot is moving outside the ball and directs the head and shoulders to pull back in an effort to re establish the proper Left Shoulder to golf ball Radius. Geometry of the Circle and a ground, up "encroachment" reaction. Holla back on that one. Hope Luke doesnt mind me making a mash of his stuff!
Ill take a stab at your questions......
- Mr. Squat didnt slide as much as the Hawk?
-Lee's face is shut. His left hand is arched too. 10-2-D grip. Now if he is using the Angle of Approach and Angled Hinging that shut face would serve him well. Other than that I got nothin.
-the "third set" , you mean DTL Hogan and Lee? Clubfaces toe up? Hard to see Trevinos clubface but it aint Angled there I dont think, but on the other hand, its the left hand that really matters and given his super strong grip his left hand will not be as rolled over as the face appears for sure..................Hmmm both those guys hated going left. What is your observation there Dr Bucket?
Buck, agreed.......Slide with a Delayed Turn. Its a magic move for me but some times I get slidin and just keep on go'n. Slide with a Delayed Turn yes but for crying out loud by all means Turn and hard.
Im working on the Pivot Stall by turning the left foot out some Hogan style and some secret elxirs I got while at the swamp and in St Simons Island Georgia. For me the stall and the goat hump all relate to hitting off of mats during the winter I think but thats another story. Here's a photo of some work Im doin in the backyard. Told my wife I was goin out to shovel some snow...........with a two iron. No ball there but Im getting to look more like that when confronted by the ball. I realize Im being a bit like the girl who posts only her absolute best photos to her facebook page here. Only an hour or so of photoshop work there, nothing too drastic. I hate my thighs.
A recent revelation from LUke, in regard to Rear End (did Homer use caps for this component?).... Plane Line encroachment ("R.E.P.L.E") is that in the absence of Turning, the weight sometimes remains over the Ball of the Left Foot or worse still the toes. If you then try to Pivot over the Ball instead of the weighted Heal.........R,E,P,L,E.............like Tammy Wynett is singing it, Brosuph. Think about it from a birdseye perspective. Specially if you are Sliding along the alternate plane line or a 10-5-E or an Angle of Approach. Sorry I know this is a Swingers Startdown thread but Im multi tasking for the Hitting impaired.
There, in those circumstances anywyas, the goat hump is a foot balance point thing that works its way up the 6M1 pathway, if you will? You Slide, weight moves from right heal to left ball, the c.o.g. moves towards the target line, then the Hips instead of turning and pulling the weight to the heal stall, stop rotating and the dang c.o.g. remains over the balls of the left foot (or toes if you're drifting), in the downstroke the brain senses the sweetspot is moving outside the ball and directs the head and shoulders to pull back in an effort to re establish the proper Left Shoulder to golf ball Radius. Geometry of the Circle and a ground, up "encroachment" reaction. Holla back on that one. Hope Luke doesnt mind me making a mash of his stuff!
Ill take a stab at your questions......
- Mr. Squat didnt slide as much as the Hawk?
-Lee's face is shut. His left hand is arched too. 10-2-D grip. Now if he is using the Angle of Approach and Angled Hinging that shut face would serve him well. Other than that I got nothin.
-the "third set" , you mean DTL Hogan and Lee? Clubfaces toe up? Hard to see Trevinos clubface but it aint Angled there I dont think, but on the other hand, its the left hand that really matters and given his super strong grip his left hand will not be as rolled over as the face appears for sure..................Hmmm both those guys hated going left. What is your observation there Dr Bucket?
Hogan went more forward than Snead . . . look at the knees and hips if you stuck a dowel across 'em you'd see way different directions between the two . . . Snead much more spinny and open with the shoulders . . . shoulder plane controls arm plane so note where the club is cutting their right arm . . . at essentially the same spot in the stroke . . . Snead up toward right shoulder . . . Hogan on the middle of the bicep . . . Hogan going forward swing arms down FAST . . . Snead more spinning into the left arm and then whip them down. If you had the face on you'd see Snead's left knee start to straighten faster too . . . left knee straightens pretty much no more going forward and hips will begin to turn.
Take a look at the tilt in your shoulders . . . know you're trying to miss the ground so that could be it . . . and not sure if that's the same swing or not but if you look at your garage doe . . . looks like your head is tilting back? Keep your right shoulder higher longer as you go forward?
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Take a look at the tilt in your shoulders . . . know you're trying to miss the ground so that could be it . . . and not sure if that's the same swing or not but if you look at your garage doe . . . looks like your head is tilting back? Keep your right shoulder higher longer as you go forward?
Different swings.
Here is a sequence from the same snow shovel pass. Im working on loading the #3pp (at the knuckle, top of the shaft, for drag loading) with a Slide during the backswing...... as if the Slide stops the arms backward travel and cocks the left wrist too as the Right Elbow bends. Also trying to Turn hard after my weight gets left. Im thinking its this Turning that prolongs the Hips ability to pull the Shoulders which pull the Arms that pull the Club......... "6M1 prolongation". My bad is the ARms stopping themselves at End, Slide too far, goat hump my weight towards the left toes, stall the turning, double anchors away. Im trying to fix it all by tracing back to the "roots", further down in the ground/up downswing sequence.
The first pic is the end of the Hip Slide. So I guess I could say that its my Hip Slide that pulls my Right Shoulder down (and its the acceleration of the Right Shoulder towards the ball that is defined as the beginning of Startdown. "Startdown of the Right Shoulder" so to speak and therefore the power package but there's a ton of stuff that has preceded it down below that is motivating this move of the Right Shoulder).
So I guess, EdZ, that I drag my wet mop, with a Hip Slide and then a Hip Turn. There's for sure some overlapping there too. But its a pure Slide when it all starts happen'n.
Here is a sequence from the same snow shovel pass. Im working on loading the #3pp (at the knuckle, top of the shaft, for drag loading) with a Slide during the backswing...... as if the Slide stops the arms backward travel and cocks the left wrist too as the Right Elbow bends. Also trying to Turn hard after my weight gets left. Im thinking its this Turning that prolongs the Hips ability to pull the Shoulders which pull the Arms that pull the Club......... "6M1 prolongation". My bad is the ARms stopping themselves at End, Slide too far, goat hump my weight towards the left toes, stall the turning, double anchors away. Im trying to fix it all by tracing back to the "roots", further down in the ground/up downswing sequence.
The first pic is the end of the Hip Slide. So I guess I could say that its my Hip Slide that pulls my Right Shoulder down (and its the acceleration of the Right Shoulder towards the ball that is defined as the beginning of Startdown. "Startdown of the Right Shoulder" so to speak and therefore the power package but there's a ton of stuff that has preceded it down below that is motivating this move of the Right Shoulder).
So I guess, EdZ, that I drag my wet mop, with a Hip Slide and then a Hip Turn. There's for sure some overlapping there too. But its a pure Slide when it all starts happen'n.
. . . trying to Turn hard after my weight gets left. I'm thinking it's this Turning that prolongs the Hips ability to pull the Shoulders which pull the Arms that pull the Club . . .
. . . I drag my wet mop, with a Hip Slide and then a Hip Turn. There's for sure some overlapping there too. But its a pure Slide when it all starts happen'n.
The third photo in O.B. Left's sequence tells the tale:
His Head is centered. He has wonderful Pivot Lag (lower body leading the upper from the top) and has executed a beautiful Sweep Release. As a result, he comes into the ball with textbook Left Arm and Right Forearm Flying Wedge alignments.
Left Arm straight.
Right Arm bent.
Left Wrist Flat.
Right wrist Bent.
I have seen his action in person, and believe me . . .
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