Hip rotation

[HungryBear]

Thanks all for helping me think this out.

I think the problem/solution is:

I "was" not only sliding and rotating my hips but also turning them on a sweeping plane. very close to what may be called a hip plane.
this down and around I do not find in any competent swing I have looked at.
The best swings show a very level hip turn.

I got out a couple of my shop adjustable roller stands. One stand just under my butt. As i go to top my right cheek kind of sits on the roller, I slide along roller only 2-3 inches then as i rotate left I feel my left cheek sit on the roller and if I am swinging my butt kind of rolls around end of roller and If I am hitting it kind of stays on roller.
This is far from automatic yet and the feel is very different but I have looked and looked in a mirror and I think I am on the right track.

I use a second roller in front of right thigh an I try not to bump it .

How does my analysis and remedy sound?


The Bear

[Daryl]

Thanks all for helping me think this out.

The best swings show a very level hip turn.

A level Hip Turn does not cause the knees to bend. Are their knees Bending? Standing Straight Up and Turning your Shoulders causes a Flat Shoulder Turn which Causes a Flat Hip Turn. A Golfer that can make a Full Swing with Hips remaining Level-ish is extremely flexible.

I got out a couple of my shop adjustable roller stands. One stand just under my butt. As i go to top my right cheek kind of sits on the roller, I slide along roller only 2-3 inches then as i rotate left I feel my left cheek sit on the roller and if I am swinging my butt kind of rolls around end of roller and If I am hitting it kind of stays on roller.
This is far from automatic yet and the feel is very different but I have looked and looked in a mirror and I think I am on the right track.

I use a second roller in front of right thigh an I try not to bump it .

How does my analysis and remedy sound?


The Bear

At the least, your roller drill may help you to learn to maintain your posture. That's a good thing.

Go-ahead and test your results with the V.J. Trolio Dowel Drill. Let us know the results. Pass or Fail?

[HungryBear]

Go-ahead and test your results with the V.J. Trolio Dowel Drill. Let us know the results. Pass or Fail?[/quote]

Thanks;

It enables me to pass the dowel drill. BECAUSE- (now I have not tested long enough to see all the results). I FEEL that my pelvis rotates MUCH quicker but also slows quickly and sooner. I have a better pivot separation between pelvis and shoulders. maybe I shouldnt mention the words but _KINEMATIC SEQUENCE- with distinct hip and shoulder separation.

The rollers do not help with balance because I will just roll off or push them away if I put much pressure against them. I just feel position.

The Bear

[Daryl]

I FEEL that my pelvis rotates MUCH quicker but also slows quickly and sooner. I have a better pivot separation between pelvis and shoulders. maybe I shouldnt mention the words but _KINEMATIC SEQUENCE- with distinct hip and shoulder separation.

The Bear

That's good news. And ya, anyone who overdoes the lateral slide will feel like the the pelvis rotates much more quickly. But as long as posture doesn't change, then the Hips won't interfere with the VJ Drill.

Please don't use "Kinematic Sequence". Please use "Pivot Lag".

[HungryBear]

Thanks all.

I am still testing and looking.
I am at the point where a "no slide" feel is what I need to work on. Even with a no slide feel I have a slide.
I have look closely in the mirror and even with short strokes and trying not to I have a slide.
I have traced to find a necessary clearance for the right elbow and it takes very little to assure clearance. short clubs with closer hands have elbow contact for rffw than longer clubs with proper rffw. This surprised me.
Much of this may be because I "was" an old C guy- ?? Old Habit that still stuck?
I am going to work on this feel. I see plenty of slide and hip clearance with a no slide feel. Comments? Suggestions?

Thanks
The Bear

[BerntR]

Difficult to tell without a video. But slide with a no slide feel sounds good to me. As if you're literally on top of things and not ducking down behind the ball. Which is probably just about right.

[HungryBear]

Difficult to tell without a video. But slide with a no slide feel sounds good to me. As if you're literally on top of things and not ducking down behind the ball. Which is probably just about right.

Thanks:

I just did a weight distribution experiment and I am shocked by the results.
I used two bathroom scales;
At address- 60% front foot, 40% back foot- I address at impact fix. My feel is that I have a 50/50 Surprise #1
At top- 65-70% back foo- Surprise -I feel 95% back and when I tried to get back more I felt very uncomfortable.
My shift at top- 65-70% FRONT - before start down. my fel is that little weight moved with the shift.
I can not measure further but I do wind up on front foot UNLESS I block myself out.
I am VERY surprised as I have always felt that most (90%++)weight went back.
This is strange teretory for me.

The Bear