Since this is a hands controlled system and we use the power accumulators does the pivot really provide anything other support?
Absolutely . . . .
Let supposed that you have PERFECT WEDGE/Power Package alignments and you finish like the golfers below . . . vs. Hogan . . who's gonna hit it farther?
The pivot has HUGE implications on wedge alignments, plane shifts, release type, delivering maximum radius, release points, clubface closure rates, variances in angle of attack and angle of approach . . . you're gonna see significant changes in the driver as well as people try to achieve a certain spin rate and launch angle . . . some pivots work better than others in maximizing those numbers . . . so when you compare Hogan to the "compromised" pivots above there are OBVIOUS differences . . . but there are significant differences in the alignments in Eldrick vs. Hogan's pivot as well . . .
Sure Mr. Kelley advocated a "hands controlled" pivot but let's not reduce his system to that . . . he said, "Everything is important . . . monitor everything." Go watch a good pros pivot vs. a really good am . . . you'll see differences . . . . big time.
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The ball leaves at 100 percent of the Separation speed and 70 percent of the Approach speed of the clubhead. Making resistance to deceleration a factor. Extensor Action, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, grip pressure etc etc. A connection at the #4 pp perhaps for some? But that would require impact with the Power Accumulators fully loaded would it not? Or would it? I dunno.
Can you have some Pivot "Support" at the #4 pp and have fired the #4 accumulator to some degree? Perhaps. It would be a Swingers thing mainly, a Pivot Powered Swing, two cheeks at impact most likely, some contact at the #4 pp but still a partially fired set of Accumulators. The pivot would have to a fast turning one most likely.
Homer had Velocity Power as #2 Uncocking. Zone 2 as Power, not Zone 1. Zone 1 "spins the flywheel", Zone 2 takes it and magnifies it. Although Hogan's instant initial hip acceleration is surely faster for longer shots. Is this because his flywheel is heavier, bigger, harder to spin?
The ball leaves at 100 percent of the Separation speed and 70 percent of the Approach speed of the clubhead. Making resistance to deceleration a factor. Extensor Action, the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, grip pressure etc etc. A connection at the #4 pp perhaps for some? But that would require impact with the Power Accumulators fully loaded would it not? Or would it? I dunno.
Can you have some Pivot "Support" at the #4 pp and have fired the #4 accumulator to some degree? Perhaps. It would be a Swingers thing mainly, a Pivot Powered Swing, two cheeks at impact most likely, some contact at the #4 pp but still a partially fired set of Accumulators. The pivot would have to a fast turning one most likely.
Homer had Velocity Power as #2 Uncocking. Zone 2 as Power, not Zone 1. Zone 1 "spins the flywheel", Zone 2 takes it and magnifies it. Although Hogan's instant initial hip acceleration is surely faster for longer shots. Is this because his flywheel is heavier, bigger, harder to spin?
I kinda think of it this way . . . the "geometry of the circle" radius is the left arm and club no? but the SWING radius comprises the power package AND PIVOT (and all its components) . . . so you speak of #2 . . . cocking and uncocking right? . . . . so think of your knees, hips and spine also as "#2" for lack of a better word . . . you are going from "cocked" knees to "uncocked" knees . . . hips spine etc . . . in addition to producing "maximium SWING radius" this also allows you to keep the "flywheel" spinning . . . try to turn your hips the most and keep your left knee "cocked" and your hip joints "cocked" . . . keeping that rotation up helps to maintain the power package alignments, lag pressure and pivot lag going thru the entire machine . . .
Accumulator #4 is really strong and also provides ample resistance against slowdown.
Leaving pressure point 4 isn't the end of it either. For all practical purpuses - it never gets to it's inline condition (which is arm pointing straight out of the shoulder.
As long as you turn the left shoulder the A#4 will generate more speed.
I was trying to ask - does the pivot simply enable more speed or does it create the speed?
Im thinking it is primarily the "spin of the flywheel", the initial acceleration upon which the Arms build, magnify. Assuming a Swingers Drag Loading 6-M-1 Down Stroke Sequence. For Three Accumulator Hitters it is still there but less key.
I kinda think of it this way . . . the "geometry of the circle" radius is the left arm and club no? but the SWING radius comprises the power package AND PIVOT (and all its components) . . . so you speak of #2 . . . cocking and uncocking right? . . . . so think of your knees, hips and spine also as "#2" for lack of a better word . . . you are going from "cocked" knees to "uncocked" knees . . . hips spine etc . . . in addition to producing "maximium SWING radius" this also allows you to keep the "flywheel" spinning . . . try to turn your hips the most and keep your left knee "cocked" and your hip joints "cocked" . . . keeping that rotation up helps to maintain the power package alignments, lag pressure and pivot lag going thru the entire machine . . .
Hey Buck
I think our posts crossed mid air. Mine wasnt a rebuttal to yours by any means. The difference in them is interesting. Is 6-M-1 to your mind about rotation and extension then? How do you extend all those levers and not raise up the left shoulder? I can see 6-M-1 in a slide or a turn way but never thought about it as an extend thing before . Cool.
I think our posts crossed mid air. Mine wasnt a rebuttal to yours by any means. The difference in them is interesting. Is 6-M-1 to your mind about rotation and extension then? How do you extend all those levers and not raise up the left shoulder? I can see 6-M-1 in a slide or a turn way but never thought about it as an extend thing before . Cool.
Oh sure . . . I knew you weren't rockin' no rebuttalz . . . .
Go stick your head in a door frame and pivot . . . do it slow and pay attention to what happens. Notice how your knees joints, hip joints and spine has to change from out of line to in line to pivot centered. Now do it slow and try to keep the joints FLEXED . . . you gotta do some contorted stuff to make it work. "Tilting the teacup" involves moving several joint segments to stay centered. Pay particular attention to what your hip joints and spine does. Nobody does a true double anchor on the backstroke. They right knee is unbending to an extent. That allows the hip to continue turning . . . vicey versy on the downstroke. But if you look at the Hogan sequence . . . notice the left knee . . . IT'S WHEN IT HAPPENS . . . you want it to straighten for sure . . . but if it straightens early (gets in line) then the hips are going to start turning at that point. But say you don't ever straighten it . . . hips will be limited in their range of motion to turn also the hips will not extend (get in line) . . . could get saggy kneed and goat hump to keep the club coming from in . . . or chase with your head ala the old dude in those pivots. Note how his hips have not gotten in line.
Note how this dude's hips have not extended fully . . . his spine is vertical (not bent to the side) . . . his head would be off the door frame . . . up away and forward. Compare the head alignment to Hogan and Hogan to Tiger . . . See what the pivot has done to the head and eye line . . . Hogan would have his eyeline pretty much parallel to the plane angle . . . old cat is pretty much looking as if he were standing up . . . Tiger parallel to plane line. Hogan is the model . . .
Compare to Hogan . . . his head would still be on the frame spine is bent to the side and hips joints extended and continued to turn. Compare to Tiger . . . extended hips and knees but head went backwards. Note how hogan has "released" his head too. Maybe some of that stems from Tiger having that goofy head up set up versus having his face down . . .but if we had the full sequence to compare you'd likely see Tigers left knee straighten early and then head start moving backwards. So you can imagine the implications on the clubface with that much speed . . . fleeting alignments . . . versus hogan who can continue to move the face at a uniform rate because he has kept up his rotation. Note how much farther forward Hogan's right shoulder is than Tigers . . .
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