Was Nicklaus off plane?

[12 piece bucket]

Daryl,

Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered? (photo courtesy of Jeff Mann).

You got a pic between 4 and 5?

[gmbtempe]

I dont have that swing itself, I had this one from Riviera a couple years ago, its probably the best swing I have seen him make so it probably wont help in you, as you can see he is dead nuts on plane (club is tough to see).

[12 piece bucket]

I dont have that swing itself, I had this one from Riviera a couple years ago, its probably the best swing I have seen him make so it probably wont help in you, as you can see he is dead nuts on plane (club is tough to see).

Would you say dead nuts on plane on the elbow plane?

[gmbtempe]

Not to my understanding, the hands from the top move right along, I mean never leaving, the line I drew for the TSP, the right forearm when he gets to the delivery position gets very close to the elbow plane (between the TSP and Elbow Plane) but the hands and clubhead are on the TSP.

[12 piece bucket]

Not to my understanding, the hands from the top move right along, I mean never leaving, the line I drew for the TSP, the right forearm when he gets to the delivery position gets very close to the elbow plane (between the TSP and Elbow Plane) but the hands and clubhead are on the TSP.

This is what you're gonna find with MANY MANY pros . . . . they find a way to get the CLUBHEAD on the Elbow Plane . . . hands may not be there but the clubhead is . . . . he gets that clubhead out there . . . wipe city.

[gmbtempe]

This is what you're gonna find with MANY MANY pros . . . . they find a way to get the CLUBHEAD on the Elbow Plane . . . hands may not be there but the clubhead is . . . . he gets that clubhead out there . . . wipe city.

so your saying his move is a "wipe" move, I am confused on your statement.

or is he making the right move by having the clubhead on the elbow plane.

I just checked and I do the same thing.

[12 piece bucket]

so your saying his move is a "wipe" move, I am confused on your statement.

or is he making the right move by having the clubhead on the elbow plane.

I just checked and I do the same thing.

No . . . no wipe move . . .would be if the clubhead actually got lined up out there with the hands.

[O.B.Left]

I just checked and I do the same thing.

gmbtempe..........your lines may by exaggerating this look a tad. What would it look like if you drew a line between your #3pp and the sweespot on the clubface, the sweetspot plane and then drew the TSP from ball to #3pp and then up to where ever.

Remember the shaft is only a rough proxy for plane compliance. It rotates around the sweetspot not vice versa. Its the #3pp and it's sense for the Lag of the Sweetspot Plane, the longitudinal center of gravity and the Delivery Line that really matter.

That feeling in your Hands, #3pp is the Sweetspot! Golf's secret.