Clear the right hip: 12-3-0

[DOCW3]

From 3-F-5

The Forward Press is Fixing in mind the appearance and feel of the Zone #3 Components at Impact by shifting the entire Machine per Stroke Pattern to the Impact position

[Daryl]

Dear Kemo Sabe,

I stand corrected and rightly so.........I won't answer any more questions without consulting the book. Every passage mentioning Forward Press concerns getting to know Impact.

So, the "Forward Press" in "Section 3" is about knowing where the Right Hip and Elbow should be for Impact.

Then, and I'm only quessing, Section 6, # 24, "Clear Right Hip" is to know that it's out of the way and the Location it's traveling to for Impact?

[DOCW3]

From 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 Component 15: Delayed

[Daryl]

From 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 Component 15: Delayed

Delayed Hip Action. Of course. Why make it any harder than it has to be. Keep it simple. Clear the Hips.

[DOCW3]

I am now thinking the two are the same and the note applies to Waggle and not Forward Press.

From 3-F-5 THE ADDRESS ROUTINE, the “Start Down” Waggle involves checking for “Clearing the Right Hip ( 2-N-0, 10-14).”

Further, from 2-N-0, “Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinating the Downstroke Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position, Motion and Path to avoid collisions….”. and from 10-14-A, B, “use the….Turning/Sliding Hip to carry the Right Elbow around into Release position…”

Also, FWIW, the 7th Edition index contains Clear the Right Hip and Right Hip Clearing with the same seven references, plus Clear Right Hip with two references not included for the other subjects. The 6th Edition index does not contain these subjects

[DOCW3]

Daryl~Does your graphic of the hip movement agree with VJ Trolio's Final Missing Piece or what is your assessment of the difference? Thanks.

[Daryl]

Daryl~Does your graphic of the hip movement agree with VJ Trolio's Final Missing Piece or what is your assessment of the difference? Thanks.

My Hip Turn accommodates my swing strategy which includes a Stationary Head, strong Weight Shift and keeping the Spine angle from Address to Top of Swing while allowing a very strong sense of staying "On the Ball" and keeping the Hips well inside my Stance throughout the Swing. My Hip Action is on the very strong side of Action. "The Final Missing Piece" Hip Action is a little on the weak side and basically carries the Shoulders and Power Package around to Impact.

I try to keep Zone 1 as simple as possible.

1. PURPOSE
My Hip Turn Trace promotes a straight Line Delivery Path. This is my Hip Trace. This is the Path of the Hips for almost every Pivot Stroke.
"The Final Missing Piece" Left Hip moves in front of its Address Posture and promotes a Circle Path Delivery Path.

2. Comparison
Very Different
My Hip Turn leaves the Right Leg Forward Lean at Address undisturbed until the Downstroke by only moving the Right Hip behind about 3 inches while the Left Hip move laterally only to the Right.

Weight Shift
Top Of Swing: My Trace places 90% of the Weight on the Right Foot at the Top of the Swing. VJ's puts 75% of the Weight on the Left Foot at the Top of the Swing.

I almost sit back on my Right Hip Socket at the Top. With "The Final Missing Piece", one sits back on the Left Hip at the Top of the Swing.

My Hips Turn to the Plane Line but are not physically Turned. My Hip Turn is simply the Product of Knee Bend and weight shift with no rotational effort, while "The Final Missing Piece" Hip Turn is a purposeful rotation of the Hips.


Hip Trace of "The Final Missing Piece" is below.

Hogan Grid:

My Hip Trace

[Bigwill]

My Hip Turn accommodates my swing strategy which includes a Stationary Head, strong Weight Shift and keeping the Spine angle from Address to Top of Swing while allowing a very strong sense of staying "On the Ball" and keeping the Hips well inside my Stance throughout the Swing. My Hip Action is on the very strong side of Action. "The Final Missing Piece" Hip Action is a little on the weak side and basically carries the Shoulders and Power Package around to Impact.

I try to keep Zone 1 as simple as possible.

1. PURPOSE
My Hip Turn Trace promotes a straight Line Delivery Path. This is my Hip Trace. This is the Path of the Hips for almost every Pivot Stroke.
"The Final Missing Piece" Left Hip moves in front of its Address Posture and promotes a Circle Path Delivery Path.

2. Comparison
Very Different
My Hip Turn leaves the Right Leg Forward Lean at Address undisturbed until the Downstroke by only moving the Right Hip behind about 3 inches while the Left Hip move laterally only to the Right.

Weight Shift
Top Of Swing: My Trace places 90% of the Weight on the Right Foot at the Top of the Swing. VJ's puts 75% of the Weight on the Left Foot at the Top of the Swing.

I almost sit back on my Right Hip Socket at the Top. With "The Final Missing Piece", one sits back on the Left Hip at the Top of the Swing.

My Hips Turn to the Plane Line but are not physically Turned. My Hip Turn is simply the Product of Knee Bend and weight shift with no rotational effort, while "The Final Missing Piece" Hip Turn is a purposeful rotation of the Hips.


Hip Trace of "The Final Missing Piece" is below.

Hogan Grid:

My Hip Trace

Interesting that, in both tracings, the left hip moves very little relative to the right hip. Don't know if there's anything significant there, but it's something I've never considered.

[DOCW3]

Thanks for the effort on the graphics.

Do you have an assessment relative to ease of clearing the right hip?

VJ mentioned that Hogan's right hip moves parallel to the target line as it positions left and also differentiated between the Hogan and Snead spine angle at the top/end.

[Daryl]

Do you have an assessment relative to ease of clearing the right hip?

Clearing the Right Hip is a Zone 1 issue. The Right Elbow doesn't interfere with the Right Hip, the Right Hip interferes with the Right Elbow.

Train Zone 1.

Lastly, if you stand fully upright and turn your hips, you legs twist to allow the motion. But when you bend at the waist or Hips then the knees bend and straighten to allow the Hips to Rotate in their sockets.

There are a lot of ways to swing a club but Zone 1 should accommodate. Secondary Axis Tilt is tricky because it often throws the entire machine off Plane with very little chance of recovering. This sometimes radical (2 or 3 degrees) inside-out swing needs a strong compensation otherwise the Club Shaft (and Club Head) rise above the Plane starting at Impact.