through impact

[O.B.Left]

I need to restate and define:
The root of my concerns are related to –Swinging, horizontal hinging, sequenced release and TRUSTING my stroke to properly manipulate CF.
All with, a flat left wrist, lag pressure point and straight plane line all with “reasonable” balance, rhythm and a stationary head.
This thread relates a “through impact” condition, prior thread relates “roll starts where”.
Well, to me, they both relate to the same . IMPACT alignment(s).
The horizontal hinge rolls through impact with the rhythm of #3 accumulator transfer power made up of the residual #2 accumulator .
There are a Gazillion ways to do this and manipulations and adjustment and synchronizing and sequencing events occurring and methods of doing them. From the feet to the first joint on my index finger to my brain which TELLS me what to do, lets/makes it happen and evaluates it before I come to rest at finish.
The question in my mind is because every swing with every club of all lengths at a broad range of speeds each requires a different plan.
The narrow aspect of this is. What is a reasonable distance/interval prior to impact to have established impact alignment? Do I use release type, aiming point, etc. all of the above.
Or is it risk tolerance and trust on how close I cut it?
Because if late miss it is cut to right field but early it is snap to left field.
Maybe The answer is trial and error then lots of practice- BUT isn’t that where I was before TGM? With the expectations that IMPROVED alignments will make the difference?

The Bear

Wow. Thats some question.

I like D's answer from a Power Package perspective. But from a clubface perspective , since you are assuming Horizontal, that face is in the process of closing and so it doesnt arrive at its Impact Alignment until Impact.

Scary stuff when you think about it like this. In a similar regard, Homer told his GSEM class in 1982 that he had no idea how the pros could make such things happen on a regular basis. But as he noted , they were the performers and he was the researcher. Indeed how did Tiger or Seve or any childhood wunderkind get the job done? I can assure you it was not with an intellectual application of golf science but by FEEL. And thats where Homer's book eventually takes you as it must. It is the only way to PLAY (as opposed to Practice).

Bear, you can adjust the aiming point given the length of the lever , the club you are swinging and the rate at which it wants to change ends. That is one helpful bit of machine adjustment, science. I noticed how you bolded the word "TRUST". CF does seek to pull into a straight line the left arm and club, in a flail like fashion ....and so, if you are Swinging then I like George Knudson's thought that YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP CONTROL TO GAIN CONTROL. (His balance was pretty impeccable too).

Is there a chance you are disrupting CF in some manner? Swinging and employing a Release Trigger, a Throw that you sometimes over do? Do you have problems with Over Acceleration with certain clubs, the longer ones? Are your Wrists tension free? Do you place more emphasis on a mechanic than on balance? Maybe its just your time to set yourself free? To give up control. To start Playing the game instead of Practicing.

Try swinging super slow , but heavy with Lag that you sense at the #3 and go to an Automatic Release. Try swinging like Bobby Jones for a while and see if things dont work out on their own. Lagging Takeaway, Float Loading, 3/4 swings that you will find go quite a distance. You'll wonder why you dont just do that all the time..........maybe you should. Or maybe its just an exercise in freedom of motion.

My apologies if this is way off the mark. The short answer would have been........"yes Trust, FEEL by any and all means. Those guys on tour arent thinking about mechanics, not when they're playing well anyways."

[HungryBear]

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Wow. Thats some question.

I like D's answer from a Power Package perspective. But from a clubface perspective , since you are assuming Horizontal, that face is in the process of closing and so it doesnt arrive at its Impact Alignment until Impact.

My Poor communication skills-I would never be a good instructor What I mean to say is Vertical hinge, closing only and the sweet spot on plane. 2-C-1 with a little more forward lean on the shaft at impact- no compromise acceptable to me .

Scary stuff when you think about it like this. In a similar regard, Homer told his GSEM class in 1982 that he had no idea how the pros could make such things happen on a regular basis. But as he noted , they were the performers and he was the researcher. Indeed how did Tiger or Seve or any childhood wunderkind get the job done? I can assure you it was not with an intellectual application of golf science but by FEEL. And thats where Homer's book eventually takes you as it must. It is the only way to PLAY (as opposed to Practice).

Bear, you can adjust the aiming point given the length of the lever , the club you are swinging and the rate at which it wants to change ends. That is one helpful bit of machine adjustment, science. I noticed how you bolded the word "TRUST". CF does seek to pull into a straight line the left arm and club, in a flail like fashion ....and so, if you are Swinging then I like George Knudson's thought that YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP CONTROL TO GAIN CONTROL. (His balance was pretty impeccable too).

Is there a chance you are disrupting CF in some manner? YES Swinging and employing a Release Trigger, a Throw that you sometimes over do? NO-UNDERDO Do you have problems with Over Acceleration with certain clubs, the longer ones? NO- but that can creep in with ease and there are days that it is hard to correct- but not included here. Are your Wrists tension free? Do you place more emphasis on a mechanic than on balance? Maybe its just your time to set yourself free? To give up control. To start Playing the game instead of Practicing.

I AM STUCK IN CHAPTER # (3-B,C mostly)


Try swinging super slow , but heavy with Lag that you sense at the #3 and go to an Automatic Release. Try swinging like Bobby Jones for a while and see if things dont work out on their own. Lagging Takeaway, Float Loading, 3/4 swings that you will find go quite a distance. You'll wonder why you dont just do that all the time..........maybe you should. Or maybe its just an exercise in freedom of motion.

I do that sometimes and it is OK- BUT- As For me, being a bad example in this modern day, golf is a MACHO game. I started with persimmon and Arnold Palmer. I also have a #1 iron, several in fact, and there are days when I can actually make it “sing” and that makes me happy.

My apologies if this is way off the mark. The short answer would have been........"yes Trust, FEEL by any and all means. Those guys on tour arent thinking about mechanics, not when they're playing well anyways."

Thanks, but I like the long answers, the short answers are in Golf Digest every month and they do nothing but sell magazines.

The Bear

[O.B.Left]

Bear, wait you have a 1 iron and chamois grips..........we must be separated at birth. Im the king of long irons in an age of rescue clubs. I lost my advantage to those contraptions actually. Damn those things and the horse they rode in on to eternal damnation.......(or allow me to find some that I can hit better than my 2 iron). I put my one irons away a while back......I miss those things.